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Post by Chris K. Hale on Mar 23, 2018 7:55:19 GMT -8
I take many things in our Hobby very seriously, recently there was some question as to the original builder of a model(s) that had been posted. In the last 50+ years of building, photographing and competing in model contests,I know there is a general consensus that this a serious thing. Taking credit for others work or plagiarism in society has been the downfall of many individuals and even resulted in fisticuffs. I have seen models painted by Professional Painters but the builder swears they did it but cant tell you how, I have seen Award winning models that were bought on Ebay and then entered in contests under someone else name,and even have the feeling that some of my work may have been plagiarized, with the Internet, a Global presence and the ability to search any subject around the world it quite possible that some who claim to be experts on a certain subject or model actually had nothing to do with it... I have real world experience with several occasions a person has claimed the work of my Dad and Mom as their own. Look if these folks want to Live a Lie then I call Bullshit!! I dont want it here , I dont feel its Good for Our Hobby and encourage anyone considering it to leave! go somewhere else where a group of less Knowledgeable, Less Talented and not Actual Builders wont catch it. So if you didnt build it Dont Claim It! If you post someone else work give them full credit! Enough Said Guys, I dont want to be forced to remove content and Ban people .. Need I say more?  Chris |
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Post by Patrick on Mar 23, 2018 20:35:24 GMT -8
Bloody well right, Bucko!
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Post by Oldtimer on Mar 24, 2018 17:41:42 GMT -8
I'd like to say that, first, as a newcomer here, I am sure that I am not fully aware of all the intricacies of what you modelers do.
Second, working only in 1/18 scale diecast, I have limitations to overcome that, it appears, those of you working in 1/24 (or other) scale plastic, may not have.
Third, when I present a "custom", it may be a team effort, which I have underwritten from an expense standpoint, but which represents the skills contribution of at least one, if not more, other artisan.
Regardless, I hope that what I do display here, is considered to be "mine", notwithstanding that it represents a group effort to produce.
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Post by Chris K. Hale on Mar 25, 2018 9:40:00 GMT -8
Not to worry, You show your work and it is very informative. I think about using Photo-etch, R&B products and so many more, from decals to tires and on and on..technically we all farm out some of our builds. I am talking about taking full credit for a completed model that you didnt have anything to do with other than posting photos of it.... so no worries there! Chris
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Post by garydavis on Mar 26, 2018 12:03:56 GMT -8
Chris...I have(unfortunately) seen that very thing also in the past 50yrs... and agree with you %100! Folks who do that are WANNA BEES and THIEVES. Don't have time for them and don't WANNA BE around them at ALL!
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Post by robhart on Mar 26, 2018 12:28:49 GMT -8
Years ago I belonged to a local model club. They raffled off a built airplane model at one of their annual Christmas party/December meetings. The guy that won the model proceeded to enter it in So Cal model contests for the next few years. It was not a contest quality model and, to the best of my knowledge, nobody ever called the him out on it. Then again, there may not be rules against entering a model in a contest if you didn't build the model. I don't recall any contest entry form specifically asking if the entrant built the model being entered. More of a gentlemen's/honor system agreement I guess.
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Post by Chris K. Hale on Mar 26, 2018 13:37:20 GMT -8
Most Model Car contest have a statement , usually on the entry form, that states the work must be the sole work of the entrant. As Rob says, It has been a widely known Gentleman's Agreement for years. I was first aware that this went on at the Ontario show when I was sitting outside listening to a group of Lowrider builders talking about getting their cars painted by a Professional Painter and bragging about the result and winning Best Paint Awards... I learned many things sitting outside of shows at lunch time similar to that..some were a complete matter of Disgust that should have never been going on.. For some a Trophy or Plaque is more important than plain Honesty!! Chris
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Post by Joel_W on Nov 19, 2018 16:07:19 GMT -8
Chris,
I just saw your post, and read the entire thread. I've been a military modeler since the early 70s before converting to race/sport cars, and honestly I've only run into this once at a IPMS regional contest. Just never could figure out how placing in a model contest was more important then your dignity, and self respect. Once caught that individual becomes an outcast from his local club, nor allowed to enter any other IPMS contests in the future.
Personally, I rather finish dead last and known that I've done my best, then steal someone else's work just to hopefully win a trophy. Odds are that individual will get caught more times then not.
Joel
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Post by afx on Nov 21, 2018 3:40:34 GMT -8
I've never had a build photographed for a magazine, never even placed in a model contest. I don't build for this type of recognition. I certainly appreciate comments from other builders on my work and enjoy sharing tips or techniques I have picked up along the way. I build purely for my enjoyment.
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Post by Joel_W on Nov 22, 2018 6:12:52 GMT -8
I've never had a build photographed for a magazine, never even placed in a model contest. I don't build for this type of recognition. I certainly appreciate comments from other builders on my work and enjoy sharing tips or techniques I have picked up along the way. I build purely for my enjoyment. JC, I had the contest bug back in the 70s really bad, as my local model club was a chapter of the IPMS/USA, so you're goal was local/Regional/drivable other Regionals/Nationals if you could get to them. After years I just got burnt out as modeling wasn't fun any more. I ended up judging my work by how it did in a contest, rather then carefully looking at was on the table, and seeing if my build was equal to or even better. I ended up taking off more then 30 years from modeling. Now I'm back for almost the last 10 years, and build mostly for myself as well as posting online. I no longer belong to any model clubs, and have switched from military modeling to race and classic sports car modeling as that's my main interest. Modeling is now truly fun and once again rewarding. My goal is to build the very best model I can to what ever level of detail I feel that the build warrants. Funny thing, but all those once so coveted ribbons, trophies, and plaques slowly but surely all were boxed, then were tossed after the house fire. Today, my real trophies are my models that are in my display case or cases on shelves. Joel |
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Post by afx on Nov 22, 2018 11:33:20 GMT -8
Joel, Been a member of Maryland Automotive Modelers Assoc. for more than a dozen years. Our club hosts the Mid-Atlantic NNL but we have no inter-club contests. This allows for a free exchange of ideas among our members along with great sense of comradery, wouldn’t want it any other way.
JC
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