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Post by pnance26 on Jul 1, 2019 15:13:57 GMT -8
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Post by robhart on Jul 1, 2019 17:12:54 GMT -8
Very nice. What is the back story on the number 6?
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Post by afx on Jul 1, 2019 17:18:16 GMT -8
Welcome aboard. Really like the Torino Talladega.
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Post by pnance26 on Jul 2, 2019 8:27:00 GMT -8
Very nice. What is the back story on the number 6? That was a little project for a contest. The theme was "Coming Home". I used that theme for a build called "Coming Home... for the Points". Mark Martin and Rusty Wallace had a wreck at Darlington (I think) on the lap 28 on the front stretch during the spring race. Both cars went to the garage and Martin returned to the track some 229 laps later to complete the race. The crew had cut the whole front end off as well as the left rear of the car. They used screen door mesh over the radiator held in place with bungee cords and had used raw sheet metal over the driver door and left rear fender, both pop riveted in place with lots of racing tape on the rear of the car (BearBond hadn't been invented yet). Using one single photo from an issue of Winston Cup Scene (that's the photo on the billboard), and a video of the race, I built up the wrecked/repaired car and made the track base from plywood and 1" x 4". I then banked the racetrack and painted the stripes over a material that looked like asphalt. I built the sign as explanation. I lost every single category which of course was won by a B-17 with battle damage and several tanks. You could that the judges were very military model oriented. When I asked what was wrong with my build, an area of orange peel that was less than 1/4" square was pointed out to me above the rear window. That was it... and I was pissed. So, anyway, that's the back story. I didn't enter another contest until three years ago at the Desert Classic in Lancaster, CA! The kit was a Revell 1/24th Ford T-Bird if I remember correctly. By the way, when I had Mark autograph it, he said he remembered the car very well and was embarrassed to have driven anything that ugly! Thanks for asking! |
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Post by shunter on Jul 5, 2019 3:53:07 GMT -8
Great work on all of them. I recall that Mark Martin car..great job on it..
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Post by Ron S on Jul 5, 2019 5:20:11 GMT -8
All good but great job on the beat up #6. Outstanding idea and execution, very realistic.
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Post by Joel_W on Jul 6, 2019 6:35:15 GMT -8
All three builds are really quite impressive. Love Martin's car, as your build is certainly a one of.
Joel
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Post by garydavis on Jul 6, 2019 13:05:13 GMT -8
pnance.... First off...welcome aboard. There's some great builders here and all like to share...
All three of these builds look GREAT. That Martin cars is by far the most intriguing. Great back story on it too. Sooo... you must've went to an IPMS show. 99% of the judges at MOST of those shows DO NOT JUDGE cars correctly. The 500 section of the rule book is like a side show. NOT GOOD. They also DO NOT award creativity. And they wonder why car guys don't join IPMS. |
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Post by Joel_W on Jul 7, 2019 5:38:00 GMT -8
pnance.... First off...welcome aboard. There's some great builders here and all like to share...
All three of these builds look GREAT. That Martin cars is by far the most intriguing. Great back story on it too. Sooo... you must've went to an IPMS show. 99% of the judges at MOST of those shows DO NOT JUDGE cars correctly. The 500 section of the rule book is like a side show. NOT GOOD. They also DO NOT award creativity. And they wonder why car guys don't join IPMS. Gary, I've been to two IPMS regionals since I got back into cars from military aircraft modeling. And I have to agree with your assessment nearly 100%. While there is now a judging rules book, they still use teams of three, where you can get a team with no one whose had much experience, nor read the book. Believe me, I know only to well how inconsistent the judging can be no matter what class. 99% of the judges are model entrants as well, so they can't judge any categories that they've entered. It's just as bad and frustrating to get judges who judge lets say ships who only build aircraft. This leaves the ever growing number of car categories to judging teams that have virtually no idea of what to look for once they get past the 1st round basics, which still removes a min of 50% of the models from contention. Poor basics is poor basics no matter what the model is. The problems start from there. As you said most judges have never built a car/truck model, nor tried to apply a perfect gloss paint job, the result is that they just guess or worse, don't care as to just how much work and effort goes into the finish, detailing, etc. They just look at the overall model as a whole. This issue will never really be resolved as long as cars/trucks are included in a IMPS sponsored contest, unless they get a car club with Judging experience to volunteer to do the judging. Joel |
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Post by garydavis on Jul 7, 2019 10:11:15 GMT -8
This leaves the ever growing number of car categories to judging teams that have virtually no idea of what to look for once they get past the 1st round basics, which still removes a min of 50% of the models from contention. Poor basics is poor basics no matter what the model is. The problems start from there. As you said most judges have never built a car/truck model, nor tried to apply a perfect gloss paint job, the result is that they just guess or worse, don't care as to just how much work and effort goes into the finish, detailing, etc. They just look at the overall model as a whole. This issue will never really be resolved as long as cars/trucks are included in a IMPS sponsored contest, unless they get a car club with Judging experience to volunteer to do the judging.
Joel Joel...you hit the nail directly on the HEAD! I've been an IPMS member for quite a few yrs now and have also gone to at least 6-7 Regionals and 2 National contests. The Nationals are done fairly (I use that word very loosely here) well depending on the host clubs and of course who's doing the judging. The inconsistency in ALL the judging from show to show is a huge issue...especially with the car section. Just last yr at the regionals I saw the 3man judging team for that category, huddled together with a Magnifying GLASS trying to judge. I made a statement to them about using a magnifying glass and they responded with it was hard to see the detail with out it. NOT a FAIR Playing field there. I've felt for yrs that a simple solution to this problem is EXACTLY what you said. Recruit a CAR guy(or a President from a model car club) to help with recuiting judges for the REGIONALS AND THE NATIONALS. What a simple solution to a very frustrating problem. Go figure eh?I get the Journal(as I'm a National Member...not a local member) and they bring up this issue of the Car/Truck judging quite often. It makes me think that these people that are in the drivers seat(the "E" BOARD) don't really want to change anything at all. They are military folks and want to stay that way. Then they say that they (IPMS) need to try to get more automotive folks to join. I don't think that's going to really happen unless some judging changes take place. |
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Post by Joel_W on Jul 7, 2019 15:38:55 GMT -8
Gary,
Well thought out and said.
The IPMS ranks are slowing shrinking as there is little new, young blood these days as kids grew up with computers and computer games. So the easiest way to get new members is recruit car guys. Sounds easy enough, but I can tell you that the car club near me isn't interested in joining IPMS. They're affiliated with the NNL, and hold a huge show and contest every year. I just might finally enter this coming spring. At least I'll see some vendors, and who knows what gems I'll find.
I haven't joined the club because to a man they're all Hot Rod and custom guys. I'd be the only race guy there.
Joel
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Post by garydavis on Jul 7, 2019 18:18:24 GMT -8
I hope you enjoy rubbing shoulders with car/truck builders. It can be a really enjoyable time for sure. The west coast has a few shows that I attend and most ARE NOT IPMS shows. They are put on by either S.A.B.A. ( scale auto builders association) out of Portland Oregon. The club I was a member with (Puget Sound Scale Model Association) put on a show( Model Car Sunday) yearly for the past 20 some yrs.... but has fallen apart in the last 2yrs. Sad but....the leadership went to the dogs. So...as I said...enjoy the show...represent US RACE CAR GUYS with pride and I hope you do well in the contest....
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Post by Joel_W on Jul 8, 2019 5:15:00 GMT -8
Gary,
I'm going to finally attend as it's not that far from my house. Just not so sure I have any models worthy of entering at this point.
Joel
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Post by pnance26 on Jul 11, 2019 7:18:30 GMT -8
This leaves the ever growing number of car categories to judging teams that have virtually no idea of what to look for once they get past the 1st round basics, which still removes a min of 50% of the models from contention. Poor basics is poor basics no matter what the model is. The problems start from there. As you said most judges have never built a car/truck model, nor tried to apply a perfect gloss paint job, the result is that they just guess or worse, don't care as to just how much work and effort goes into the finish, detailing, etc. They just look at the overall model as a whole. This issue will never really be resolved as long as cars/trucks are included in a IMPS sponsored contest, unless they get a car club with Judging experience to volunteer to do the judging.
Joel Joel...you hit the nail directly on the HEAD! I've been an IPMS member for quite a few yrs now and have also gone to at least 6-7 Regionals and 2 National contests. The Nationals are done fairly (I use that word very loosely here) well depending on the host clubs and of course who's doing the judging. The inconsistency in ALL the judging from show to show is a huge issue...especially with the car section. Just last yr at the regionals I saw the 3man judging team for that category, huddled together with a Magnifying GLASS trying to judge. I made a statement to them about using a magnifying glass and they responded with it was hard to see the detail with out it. NOT a FAIR Playing field there. I've felt for yrs that a simple solution to this problem is EXACTLY what you said. Recruit a CAR guy(or a President from a model car club) to help with recuiting judges for the REGIONALS AND THE NATIONALS. What a simple solution to a very frustrating problem. Go figure eh?I get the Journal(as I'm a National Member...not a local member) and they bring up this issue of the Car/Truck judging quite often. It makes me think that these people that are in the drivers seat(the "E" BOARD) don't really want to change anything at all. They are military folks and want to stay that way. Then they say that they (IPMS) need to try to get more automotive folks to join. I don't think that's going to really happen unless some judging changes take place. Let me tell you my IPMS Nationals great/not so great/horror story!
Some years back, the IPMS National show was held in Dallas. I was very unfamiliar with rules and the like and so I entered a nice little build of the JEG's ProStock NHRA 1/25th kit in OOB. I wasn't asked for the build instructions to be displayed (which is against IPMS rules) but somehow I was awarded "Best of OOB". When I picked up the model at check-out time, I had my wife and 5 year old son with me and we opted not to stay for the awards dinner. Afterwards, I was informed by by the organizers that yes, indeed, I had won the IPMS Nationals "Best OOB" build but I would not be getting the plaque as I had not attended the dinner.
I was informed of this in the middle of a hobby store in the Farmer's Branch TX by the show organizer and his wife who proceeded to get into a shouting match (on their part) about how I was ungrateful and my non-attendance was a "slap in their face". Now, mind you, this was the same cat that had found the orange peel on my entry at another contest and "failed" my Mark martin entry based on less than 1/4 sq inch of orange peel. They refused to give me the award.
I took it up with IPMS national offices who apologized and provided me with a plaque to match the one I was refused. They allowed that the organizers were "not very nice people". I never entered an IPMS event again until a couple of years ago when I entered the Desert Classic in Palmdale, CA.
My experience with the National IPMS people was great... locals not so much until Palmdale. I did win a second prize in military diorama. My big scale truck went nowhere!
BTW, thanks for the nice words on the Mark Martin car. There was more to the backstory. In November of 1995, while at work, I ran my right index and long fingers into a router (not the computer kind) while at work which resulted in me losing 3/8" of my index finger. The Mark Martin car was therapy and to prove to myself I could still build! I have never put a razor saw to a kit prior to this build... and it took me a good long while to execute the build. As I said, I had one photograph and a videotape to use as source materials. It was great fun and I still have the car bubble wrapped somewhere! I need to resurrect the build as I still have the base and sign as well.
Thanks again for the welcome here!
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Post by Joel_W on Jul 11, 2019 8:12:47 GMT -8
What a horror story that is. When I was into Military modeling, our club hosted 2 IPMS regionals, & 1 National convention. I was a judge at every contest, and contest chairman twice, so I'm pretty familiar with the old rules and ways of doing things. I can tell you that there is absolutely no rule that says if you can't stay for the awards dinner/ceremony that your plaque/trophy won't be awarded. Most clubs if notified prior to the event or before the banquet will take your address and mail it to you. I've never even heard of a club asking for postage. Believe me, all clubs make out quite well when all is said and done.
Joel
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