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Post by pnance26 on Aug 12, 2019 8:03:40 GMT -8
In my accumulation of 1/12th F1 kits, I have managed to collect the Ferrari 312B, the 312T, T2, T3, T4, and T5. I had built the 312T4 some 20 years ago and the paint and decals did not meet current specs.. the paint job had tons of orange peel and the decals have yellowed. So I am rebuilding said T4.
In light of the decision to build them all (for display), I have a couple of questions
1) Do today's decals (such as IndyCals) hold up better as far as yellowing;
2) Is there anything I can do to stop the yellowing;
3) As I am using Tamiya Italian Red (TS-8) for the Ferrari red on all 6 kits (for consistency), should I be using a pink primer or a white primer? There will be some white on some of the cars up to the T4 and I'm not sure which is the best primer.
4) Am I crazy to do this? (I already know the answer to that!)
Your comments are welcomed and encouraged.
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Post by starfighterace on Aug 13, 2019 10:52:01 GMT -8
1) Depends on the decal paper used and the printer. Very few home use printers use this technology. Epson, Otaki, and Alps are all "Archive Quality" inks. AS Indycals uses a modified T-Shirt printer to print his decals now, time will tell.
2)Yellowing comes from 2 causes. A: The adhesive used by the decal company. The British were the worst at this. You can prevent it by making sure you clean the decal well after the adhesive has dried. B: Clear reacting with light turning yellow. Sunlight can cause the breakdown of some older clear decal film. It also does the same number on Future as well (Same polymer). No known cure as it's a chemical reaction. Short of very expensive sealed cases and lighting that museums and archives use, it's a hazzard of the hobby.
3) Pink with enrich the Red and warm the White paint. White primer will "wash out" the Red. Tamiya Spray is a translucent paint. The color of primer really affects the final hue. It's basically personal preferance. Wanna test the look, use white Plastic spoons to test out the color-primer finish.
4) Nope.
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Post by vintagerpm on Aug 13, 2019 12:11:49 GMT -8
I've always used Tamiya Italian Red over white primer on my Ferraris and have no complaints. Never thought the paint looked "washed out". Of course, I did not have red primer available, so I haven't tried it.
Mike
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Post by 2whl on Aug 13, 2019 12:20:24 GMT -8
I have found that Tamiya TS-8 is translucent. The more coats you lay down, the darker it gets. But the TS-49 red is more opaque in that once you have good coverage, additional coats don't get darker.
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Post by vintagerpm on Aug 13, 2019 14:08:25 GMT -8
I have found that Tamiya TS-8 is translucent. The more coats you lay down, the darker it gets. But the TS-49 red is more opaque in that once you have good coverage, additional coats don't get darker. I would not use TS-49 for '70s era Ferraris. Much too bright, at least when sprayed over white primer. Almost dayglo, IMO. I suspect Tamiya created the TS-8 (Italian Red) for their older Ferrari kits. Mike
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Post by 2whl on Aug 13, 2019 14:16:01 GMT -8
Mike I have used TS-49 as a base coat, and then sprayed TS-8 over it until I got the hue I wanted. That's how I painted my 312T
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Post by Chris K. Hale on Aug 13, 2019 14:58:19 GMT -8
I really have never had much in the way of yellowing, I dont really know why though?? I do know the Testors #1834 Ultra Clear Lacquer Gloss coat has a UV additive in it though , I found this out when spraying Glass or clear parts, they would have a slight Blue tint to them afterwards so I called the Testors tech dept and they confirmed the new formula has a UV additive just for this purpose, to prevent paint and decals from yellowing.. if you have never called them , They are very knowledgeable and always happy to answer a question..I have used it for several years now with great results over almost any manufacturers paint even OEM. I usually use Ts-8 Italian Red and then TS-49 over to achieve the desired color I want on Ferrari because as the years progress the color got brighter and brighter until a few years back it was almost a Dayglo Red.. Then they started using Metallic and Pearls and now its a Matte Red.. That's my story and Im sticking to it!! Chris
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Post by Chris K. Hale on Aug 13, 2019 14:59:02 GMT -8
Mike I have used TS-49 as a base coat, and then sprayed TS-8 over it until I got the hue I wanted. That's how I painted my 312T Funny I do mine reversed....Chris
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Post by vintagerpm on Aug 14, 2019 4:37:25 GMT -8
And here's Italian red directly over white. (Sorry its not an Italian car. I had to go with available photos of my models. :-) Not trying to be difficult. Just don't see the problem. Mike
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Post by pnance26 on Aug 14, 2019 6:30:34 GMT -8
Thanks for all of the replies, guys.
I have pink and white and grey primer coming and I have six cans of TS-8 coming as well. I do have some TS-49 on the shelf so I will do the spoon test.I will post results. I have done a side by side of the two on plastic card stock but without primer. As long as I use the same combo consistently across all six cars, I should be okay.
By the way, considering I work full-time, it may be up to three years to fruition as that gives me 6 months per car. And not building anything else... the 1/12th scale may seem easy to some because of the size but the engine wiring and plumbing alone is time consuming.
Will keep this gorup looped in! Thanks again for all the help!
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Post by arcticwolf on Aug 14, 2019 10:23:44 GMT -8
From my recollection, the T series cars were a bit lighter red than the ones before. Try this colour
Actual car
mine (1/20th scale)
Thats no primer, 3 coats of Tamiya TS 85, Bright Mica Red over the red moulded plastic, then Tamiya clear coat. To me its as close as I've seen yet.
Good luck.
Paul
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Post by Chris K. Hale on Aug 14, 2019 11:06:40 GMT -8
Isnt the Mica Red a Metallic? because they didnt use metallic paint until the F2005 or so .... nice looking model though
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Post by pnance26 on Aug 14, 2019 11:29:45 GMT -8
Seriously, Paul, that is a great 641/2 build-up! But I would have to agree with Chris that the Mica Red might be a little too metallic for my tastes. Since I will have six side by side eventually, I will do the experiments with spoons and decide which to use but they will all be one shade... probably TS-8 at this point. BTW, here is my 641/2 in 1/12th scale... www.flickr.com/photos/148584805@N08/48537422316/in/album-72157710310368096/ (sorry. Having issues getting images to upload with new system!) Now, here's a conundrum... my spoons are all white. Shouldn't I go buy red ones as the styrene is all molded in red?
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Post by arcticwolf on Aug 14, 2019 13:44:16 GMT -8
Thanks for the complement, but that model was a nightmare - the body was warped and nothing would straighten it out. I finally gave up and glued the side panels to the body (as opposed to the floor pan) so they come off like the Lotus 99 does, but it's quite a task with the rear suspension design. Grrr.
I digress. Paint. The mica red is not a metallic, its solid red. It looks metallic-like in the photo because I used TS65 Gloss Pearl as a clearcote just for an experiment. Nice for a hot rod but not really correct for a race car. If you can find TS85, buy a can and try it, you might like the look. My 312T3 is done with it, I'll post some pics once the idiot in the paint shop is done with the wings.
Red spoons, there's a thought!
regards
Paul
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Post by pnance26 on Aug 14, 2019 13:52:41 GMT -8
Paul, Are all of your Ferraris in 1/20th?
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