Calvin
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Post by Calvin on Nov 15, 2019 16:16:31 GMT -8
Convert your 1/24 Beemax Porsche 935 K2 into a customer Porsche 935-79 with my new resin conversion kit. Now it's possible to build a 935-79 in 1/24 scale with a great plastic model donor with two versions - The 1979 Daytona 24 hr winner Interscope Porsche 935-79 and 1979 Barbour Hawaiian Tropic Porsche 935-79 IMSA Class winner. Decals available at Indycals For more information on these new conversion kits check out my website hobbitime.myshopify.com/search?q=beemax
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Post by Calvin on Nov 15, 2019 19:18:21 GMT -8
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Post by Joel_W on Nov 16, 2019 9:49:38 GMT -8
Calvin, Absolutely impressive conversions. But you've got me totally confused. From the little I actually know, Paul Newman's 935 is listed as a K3 version to meet the FIA regulations. Is the type 79 the same but just what the customer's version was listed at?
BTW, it sold at auction for a mere $4.8 million. Rumor has it that our own Chris was the actual buyer.
Joel
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Post by Calvin on Nov 16, 2019 13:05:55 GMT -8
I dont know anything about it being listed as a K3 as K means it was built by Kremer. The Barbour Hawaiian tropic cars were just customer Porsche 935-79's that raced in the IMSA Class. The overall race winner in 1979 was a Kermer (K3) build/modified Porsche, which is the car Beemax or NuNu is coming out with soon.
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Post by Joel_W on Nov 16, 2019 14:03:51 GMT -8
Calvin, I'm really confused on this. I realize that Kremer built the K2 & K3, but they also sold them to customers. They weren't officially made by Porsche. When I Googled 935/79 I got this:
Contents 1 935/76 2 935/77 2.1 935/77A customer 2.2 935/77 works 2.3 935/77 3 935/78 "Moby Dick" 4 935 K2, K3 and K4 by Kremer
There isn't any official listing for the 935/79 but I've found dozens of references to it. I just don't understand where it fits into that time line.
In any event, I'll be ordering the conversion kit for the Hawaiian Tropic car for sure. Especially since I can build it now, not when Beemax releases it. BTW, Beemax lists the Hawaiian Tropic as a K3. Talk about confusing a old man.
Joel
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Post by Calvin on Nov 16, 2019 16:01:06 GMT -8
I'm not a big expert on this subject but as far as I know the 935/79 was slightly modified versions of the customer 935/77
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Post by afx on Nov 17, 2019 4:28:02 GMT -8
Here is the evolution of the 935 by Porsche werks (factory).
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Post by Joel_W on Nov 17, 2019 6:26:51 GMT -8
JC, Thanks for posting that evolution chart with pictures. I really can't read the actual 935 numbers under each car in year, but it looks like each car within their given year is named 935/and that year's last two numbers. If so, then is the 935/79 a customer's factory car produced in 1979, while Kremer was producing their 935 K3 at the same time at their shops?
Joel
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Post by afx on Nov 17, 2019 7:13:48 GMT -8
Joel yes the nomenclature is 935/calendar year. My reference/research indicates Porsche produced (13) 935/79. I think I will start a new thread under Reference Materials/Photos to follow the development of the 935 and separately that of the Kremer K cars.
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Post by Joel_W on Nov 17, 2019 7:50:50 GMT -8
JC, Thanks, and that's a great idea.
Would I be wrong in thinking that the 935/79 and the 935/K3 share the same exact body, and the differences were all internal? It just seems to me that Beemax is calling the Newman Hawaiian 935 a K3, while Calvin and Michael (Indy Cals) documentation shows it to be a factory 935/79.
Joel
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Post by afx on Nov 17, 2019 17:29:05 GMT -8
JC, Thanks, and that's a great idea. Would I be wrong in thinking that the 935/79 and the 935/K3 share the same exact body, and the differences were all internal? It just seems to me that Beemax is calling the Newman Hawaiian 935 a K3, while Calvin and Michael (Indy Cals) documentation shows it to be a factory 935/79. Joel No the 935/79 and the 935/K3 have different bodies. Wikipedia: 935 K2, K3 and K4 by KremerAs Porsche hesitated to sell their Evolution models, some teams developed their own ideas, especially Kremer Racing from Cologne, Germany. Parallel to the factory in 1976, they had built a 935 K1, and in 1977, modified their customer 935 to the K2. For 1979, they introduced the 935 K3 (for "Kremer Type 3"; the derivative of the successful K2). Driven mainly by Klaus Ludwig, it won the 24 Hours of Le Mans in 1979, beating all prototypes, in heavy rain, which is usually considered a disadvantage for race cars with windshields. Coming in second was a factory spec model, driven by Rolf Stommelen, and supported by team owner Dick Barbour and actor Paul Newman. Facing strong competition in the 1980 DRM by the Zakspeed Ford Capri, the K4 was introduced in mid 1981 for customers at a cost of 400,000 Deutsche Mark. The K4 used a Porsche supplied 3.1 L twin-turbocharged Flat six engine with a varying power output of 559 to 596 kW (760 to 810 PS; 750 to 799 hp) at 1.5 bar boost costing 91,000 DM. A 935 K2 was converted to street legal specification and featured identical to the 935/78 "Moby Dick". The 1986 K2 which was 1 of only 12 imported into the U.S. at the time is currently owned by Peter Lima of Real Muscle car of Miami. Originally purchased by the owner of Golds Gym in 1986 from Auto Saloon 2000 in Miami for nearly $200,000USD. The unrestored 190 mph+ Porsche has been untouched since 88' when he was indicted for the distribution of illegal drugs. The specific Kremer K2 was auctioned off at Mecum Monterey Auction 2015 for an unknown amount.
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Post by Joel_W on Nov 18, 2019 7:08:12 GMT -8
JC, I still can't determine exactly what the Newman Hawaiian was. Like I said, Beemax is calling it a K3 not a 79. I just find it hard to believe that in this day and age that a modeling company could make this kind of major error in version, as I'm willing to bet that some engineers working for the Three model companies that comprise Aoshima. Further Google searches have the Hawaiian car being called both designations. What seems to be coming to light is that the car was built to meet the 1979 K3 FIA specifications. Hence, the car by Kremer was designated a 935/K3. Where the 935/79 comes from is never specifically addressed in any of the posts and threads I've read to date. As far as slightly different body work for each version, it does seem to depend on what race the car was for. This is the Beemax K3. From the overall picture this looks like the real car, not the model. ] Joel
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Post by afx on Nov 18, 2019 7:32:06 GMT -8
Here is the winning K3 from Le Mans 1979: And the 2nd place 935: Here is some history on the Dick Barbour car, it was later updated with K3 bodywork and wore the iconic Apple Computer livery. www.porscheroadandrace.com/the-old-warhorse/
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Post by Joel_W on Nov 18, 2019 8:17:03 GMT -8
JC, the Hawaiian Tropic 935 K3 from Beemax look most like the actual 2nd place finisher, but in no way looks anything like the winning 935. So it's a 935/79 and not a K3?
So if anyone builds the Beemax model it's a 935/79 ?
joel
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Post by afx on Nov 18, 2019 8:36:01 GMT -8
JC, the Hawaiian Tropic 935 K3 from Beemax look most like the actual 2nd place finisher, but in no way looks anything like the winning 935. So it's a 935/79 and not a K3? So if anyone builds the Beemax model it's a 935/79 ? joel The only Beemax kits I am aware of are the 935 K2 which you built and the pending 935 K3. Calvin is offering a trans-kit to convert the Beemax K2 to a 935/79
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