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Post by arcticwolf on Jun 2, 2020 13:51:32 GMT -8
TS8 or TS49 over Tamiya red oxide primer. The Reds seem to be slightly transparent so the primer colour deepens them a little. Looks nice, I use it on the Ferrari's.
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Post by bsmooth on Jun 3, 2020 8:26:38 GMT -8
I am still sanding and filing btw, I will start a thread soon on my progress.Are those colors available for airbrushing ?
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Post by bsmooth on Jun 12, 2020 5:54:40 GMT -8
BTW I am going to paint the roll cage, but I was thinking of doing it by brush instead of wasting all that paint trying to airbrush it.
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Post by pnance26 on Jun 15, 2020 16:33:09 GMT -8
I am still sanding and filing btw, I will start a thread soon on my progress.Are those colors available for airbrushing ? I can check but the TS-8 and TS-49 are rattle can designations. There is X-7 which is the bottle red. I have not compared that to the rattle can. Perhaps someone has.
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Post by arcticwolf on Jun 15, 2020 18:06:11 GMT -8
I am still sanding and filing btw, I will start a thread soon on my progress.Are those colors available for airbrushing ? You can decant the rattle can into a jar and spray it through your airbrush if you prefer, it's quite easy to do.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2020 7:23:19 GMT -8
BTW I am going to paint the roll cage, but I was thinking of doing it by brush instead of wasting all that paint trying to airbrush it. Decanting: I take a straw with a bendable section (easy to find at the dollar store) and then tape over the top of an open Badger bottle with Tamiya yellow masking tape - then cut a slit in the centre - insert the one end of the straw into the bottle through the open slit - then simply hold the other end of the straw on the nozzle of your spray can and begin to spray - you can't decant as much as you want and then simply lift your finger, remove the straw and let the bottle sit to off gas through the hole in the tape. That's my method!
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Post by Joel_W on Jun 17, 2020 5:57:07 GMT -8
Sorry that I missed your build blog, but I just don't check out this section often enough.
As everyone has said, prep prior to priming is a must. As for priming, I prime everything, even parts that will be hand painted. Just helps the paint grab on to the surface. As far as primers go, I only use lacquer based primers: Mr. Color and Tamiya. that's it. I don't bother with pre-thinned primers as they're way to expensive for what you get. I thin both brands of primer 2:3 using only Mr. Leveler #400 thinner. Nothing else, and certainly not the generic stuff from the big box stores, save that for cleaning out your air brush. My color coats are all pre-thinned lacquer paints by Gravity, Zero, MCW, and ScaleFinishes. These paints are thinned to the consistency of water. So I thin my primers and clear coats the same way. That's just me. Most guys seem to prefer the good old 1:1 method. My painting method doesn't vary from primer to clear coat. 2 tack coats 3 min apart. as many lite even coats as necessary which varies by the color of the paint. Clear coats get one additional coat that is thinned even more.
My air brush settings are the same for all coats as well: 16-18 psi about 6 inches or so from the model. Tack coat passes are faster then the color coats. Remember, you can always add more paint by more coats. It's common place for me to use up to 6 color coats. You can't remove excess paint without sanding, and that usually means a complete strip and repaint from priming on.
One final thought on prep. The body gets a light sanding of 600 or 800 so that the primer has something to bite into. Wash and let dry before painting.
Primer coat when dry gets a lite wet rub with Tamiya #3000 sponge to knock off the high spots and paint swirling in corners. You'll be amazed at how much smoother the surface is.
Color coats get a lite rub of 8,000 followed by 12,000. The surface is now smooth enough to decal without using a clear gloss coat. I haven't used one in years, and I never have any flash or Silvering.
Clear coats. Let dry for 72 hours: Lacquer only. If I didn't over do it, the 8,000 - 12,000 is all I need to prepare the body for my 3 step Gravity polishing system followed by their wax.
My goal is to always have my latest paint job be my best one to date.
As for watching videos, just pick one or two guys that paint about the same, get the results you're looking for, and use the same technique. Bouncing all over the place will just make your painting education that much harder in the long run.
Joel
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Post by bsmooth on Jun 17, 2020 6:24:11 GMT -8
The amount of info I'm getting here is staggering, and oh so very helpful, I appreciate everyone's help. Didn't know about the primer for hand brushing, but it does make lots of sense. I am getting all my products for building from Scalehobbyist, and I have to say they are so quick and responsive and there prices are good too. You mention Tamiya #3000 foam sandpaper, and I was wondering what grits you would suggest I get, so I don't have to keep ordering them, plus I didn't even know about the foam sandpaper. Hoping to actually post some images about the build, but a rotting beam in the deck and a cement wall falling in front of my house has been getting me sidetracked. I'm getting there slowly but surely.
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Post by Joel_W on Jun 17, 2020 6:39:22 GMT -8
bsmooth The 1,000,1,500, & 2,000 are just to close to each other to have , so just get the 1,500 and the #3,000 which I use all the time and the others almost never.
the biggest improvement in my air brushing happened when I stopped jumping all over the place. Like I said, when I found one person/vids whose method made sense to me, that I could duplicate all the time, and most importantly the results were what I was looking. The jumping around really serves no logical purpose other then driving yourself crazy.
There's no one right way to air brush, build, detail, or anything else in our hobby. What matters is the results we achieve, and that they reach or even better surpass our expectations.
Joel
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2020 7:52:13 GMT -8
The amount of info I'm getting here is staggering, and oh so very helpful, I appreciate everyone's help. Didn't know about the primer for hand brushing, but it does make lots of sense. I am getting all my products for building from Scalehobbyist, and I have to say they are so quick and responsive and there prices are good too. You mention Tamiya #3000 foam sandpaper, and I was wondering what grits you would suggest I get, so I don't have to keep ordering them, plus I didn't even know about the foam sandpaper. Hoping to actually post some images about the build, but a rotting beam in the deck and a cement wall falling in front of my house has been getting me sidetracked. I'm getting there slowly but surely.
What you are experiencing Bsmooth is why I spend so much time on and in this forum. It's simply the best because there is no attitude, and everyone is willing to share there methods and their advice - this is unlike most Forums where the Ego's are soo big that there is that "I don't want to give up my secrets' mentality. That fear that someone will use them to build a better model - there is none of that Bullshit here. Besides its a rediculous notion to begin with because even with all the knowledge you could gather from all the "Best' modelers in the world - it doesn't mean you could build a better model than anyone of theirs - that line of logic is faulty. By sharing information we make each other better modelers here, and I truly believe that's the intention of 90% of the guys here - let's make each other better modelers.
At the end of the day, you should be doing this hobby because you love cars or planes or racing cars or street cars or whatever your passion is, and ultimately trying to improve on your last build, and impressing yourself should be the goal - not impressing others. I say this because in life there are always going to be others who do things better than you - simply because they have an innate talent towards their hobby or job or whatever.
And to Joel's point I couldn't have said it better myself - everyone will tell you the method that works best for them - and then you have to experiment and see what YOU think works best for you - because apart from some basic principles, there is no one 'RIGHT' way - it's whatever way allows you to achieve the results you are striving to achieve.
That's my outlook on it at any rate
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2020 7:55:47 GMT -8
The amount of info I'm getting here is staggering, and oh so very helpful, I appreciate everyone's help. Didn't know about the primer for hand brushing, but it does make lots of sense. I am getting all my products for building from Scalehobbyist, and I have to say they are so quick and responsive and there prices are good too. You mention Tamiya #3000 foam sandpaper, and I was wondering what grits you would suggest I get, so I don't have to keep ordering them, plus I didn't even know about the foam sandpaper. Hoping to actually post some images about the build, but a rotting beam in the deck and a cement wall falling in front of my house has been getting me sidetracked. I'm getting there slowly but surely.
P.S. - I swear by having a least one square of every Grit of Tamiya Sponge at all times - it will change the way you model and allow you to do things you didn't think you could before - God Bless Tamiya Sponges
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Post by bsmooth on Jun 17, 2020 8:16:06 GMT -8
You are so right about info on some forums. I'm also big into photography, and a few of the forums I just get that sense that some are holding back. I used to post images all the time and had them shot down in flames for so many reasons. Slowly though over the years I'm coming to the realization that If I can look at something and say hey you know thats not half bad at all, then I'm doing Ok. I'll admit that when I first came here and started poking around and saw the high degree of craftsmanship, I was almost afraid of posting anything at all, but then I really really read each post and the amount of information and friendliness of the posts and all the help you were giving each other I just got the sense that these forums would be a great place to ask questions and not feel intimidated. For a new/old comer to a hobby that I had great appreciation for that meant a lot. The other was a heritage my dad had for crafting and building things. I still have the one wooden cannon wheel he had made so many years ago he built from scratch. He never did finish it, but I know he had started turning the barrel at some point, although I don't know where it went. So I do have a great appreciation for someone who knows the craft, and better yet knows what it takes to get there. Almost feel like I should take all these posts and print and put them in a notebook, but thats so old school, I have to get past that I guess. I have to admit it I am Old school
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Post by Joel_W on Jun 17, 2020 9:39:00 GMT -8
bsmooth, As the British would say: By George I think you've got it.
Nice to have another Old Timer here. Sometimes is does get a little lonely.
Joel
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