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Post by sandysixtysfan on Sept 28, 2013 6:41:09 GMT -8
Here's another fun build from Marsh. I believe its a later release than the Honker, hench the better looking decals. The paint is Tamiya. I'm still checking out all the great builds you guys have posted here, so I've got a lot of lookin' to do. Sandy   |
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Post by Patrick on Sept 28, 2013 7:23:14 GMT -8
Sandy,
And I thought you knew only Indy cars. Your CanAm builds are exceptional. I missed seeing the Ti22, but it was one of the finest cars out there. I wonder where it is today?
Patrick
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Post by sandysixtysfan on Sept 28, 2013 10:30:50 GMT -8
Sandy, And I thought you knew only Indy cars. I missed seeing the Ti22, but it was one of the finest cars out there. I wonder where it is today? Patrick Thx, my top two favorites are Can Am and Indy, but I still have a lot to learn about both. I agree, the Ti 22 was an awesome car. Sadly it never reached its full potential. As fast as Can Am technology advanced it seemed that if a car wasn't fast off the trailer, by the time it got sorted out it was yesterday's also-ran. I'd like to know also what happened to this car. I'll do some checking this weekend. Anyone out there know? Recently a non-car guy co-worker returned from a family vacation to the country music mecca of Branson, Mo. He said they were touring some museum and saw a 'race car' amoung the random exhibits. He had a photo and asked if I knew what it was. It was a Caldwell D-7! How this car ended up there is another thing to be researced! Sandy |
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Post by oldphotos on Sept 28, 2013 12:42:33 GMT -8
Both of the Ti22 were destroyed the first one at St. Jovite in 1970 when it flip over backwards crest a hill.
The second car the Ti22MKII was destroyed at Riverside in an SCCA race in 1973,
Rumors have it that a replica of the MK I car is being built and that the remains of the MK II may also be rebuilt.
The Caldwell D-7 is on display at the Lane Auto Museum in Nashville Tn. these cars are often loaned to other museum for a period of time and with the Nashville to Branson connection with music, I can see the car being on loan to Branson
Oldphotos
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Post by vintagerpm on Sept 28, 2013 12:50:47 GMT -8
Great build! Always loved that car. I also built a Marsh Ti22 but a different version. Mine is the early 1970 "Mornin' After" version. Which version is yours, 1969?
Always upset that I never saw the car race in person. I remember watching on TV Jackie Oliver lead the 1970 Mosport Can-Am before eventually finishing second. Then he wrecked the Ti22 at St. Jovite and the team did not race at Watkins Glen, the race I attended. They did return for the last two rounds of the season, and Jackie finished 2nd two more times.
The original Ti22 chassis vanished. They put the wreck out behind the shop and one day it was gone. Probably stolen and sold for scrap. Anybody know what happened to the second car after the 1971 season and/or where it is today?
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Post by sandysixtysfan on Sept 28, 2013 15:00:57 GMT -8
Hey, thanks Mr Oldphotos and Vintagerpm for the info and comments. Fascinating stuff. Yep, its the 1969 car. The story about the chassis disappearing is amazing. Along that line I've heard the beautiful silver Lancer Lola T-70 of Skip Hudson was destroyed while filming for a commercial or a movie at Riverside Raceway. The chassis is said to have been left there and buried and is still there today underneath the shopping center. Anyone heard this or can confirm- truth or urban legend?
Sandy
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Post by 2lapsdown on Sept 28, 2013 19:43:26 GMT -8
Beautiful job on this car. I loved the Can Am.
John
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2013 4:27:13 GMT -8
well done!
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Post by vintagerpm on Sept 29, 2013 6:18:47 GMT -8
I missed OldPhotos comments when I posted. Must have gone up on the board as I was typing my comments.  Didn't know (or had forgotten - I do that sometimes) the second car had wrecked in '73. |
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Post by Calvin on Sept 29, 2013 17:54:25 GMT -8
Very cool!
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Post by dustymojave on Oct 4, 2013 14:38:19 GMT -8
The 2nd Autocoast Ti22 was bought and raced in SCCA national and regional races by Nick Dioguardi. He stepped up from racing the Dan Gurney Lotus 19-Ford, which he sold when he bought the Ti22.
It caught fire on the front straight at Riverside and Nick stopped it on the left side of the track just where it rose up to go over the tunnel under Turn 1. It burned to the ground there. I was a Cal Club Tech and Rules Enforcement Inspector and was responsible for Crash Impounds. Crashed race cars which were damaged bad enough to require a tow in (not just broken down) were brought to me for inspection and a write-up in the car's log book before release to the paddock. I very often rode the tow truck to crash scenes as well. At the time the car caught fire and stopped, I was up the pit road at another racer's pit making sure they fixed the problem they had been black flagged for. That was right across from where Nick stopped and bailed out. Putting out the fire took quite an effort, as the titanium itself burned. It burns kinda like magnesium, but apparently not nearly as bad. Still it was a very bright fire and took a long time for the crew to extinguish. The race was red-flagged. There really wasn't a whole lot left of the car after the fire (including the logbook which was required to be kept inside the car) and it was very difficult to clean up the mess for racing to resume.
I had thought a great deal of this car partly because it looked pretty and worked VERY well. But also, some of its design features coincided with my thoughts on race car design at the time, such as the aero fence between the front and rear fenders to trap downforce-inducing airflow on top of the car. So it particularly bothered me to watch it go up in flames. I suppose not near as much as it bothered Nick though. I don't recall ever seeing him after that day.
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Post by Patrick on Oct 4, 2013 16:24:11 GMT -8
Thanks Dusty for the great first had insight. That kind of reflection enhances the models we build around here. I love it.
Patrick
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Post by Art on Oct 4, 2013 23:36:06 GMT -8
Very nice job, Sandy! Great looking model.
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Post by sandysixtysfan on Oct 5, 2013 2:40:05 GMT -8
Thx for the comments guys. Dusty- thx for the info, really fascinating, a sad end to a great car.
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Post by dustymojave on Oct 10, 2013 12:51:23 GMT -8
One unfortunate aspect of it was that while the fire was not caused by a crash, the fire damage was so severe we couldn't analyze what little was left to find what caused the fire. So no lessons to be learned from it.
Building the chassis largely out of titanium was brilliant. Designer Peter Bryant and much of the Autocoast group that built the Ti22s went on shortly after to create the Shadow CanAm and F1 cars. Never with much titanium again though. The Shadow DN2 included a couple or 3 parts of titanium. It was and still is vastly more expensive than aluminum, and the Ti22 was sponsored and supported in design and construction by a manufacturer of titanium. 10 years later, carbon fiber composite technology became known to race car people and took the place of titanium as the strong but very light and expensive material.
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Didn't know (or had forgotten - I do that sometimes) the second car had wrecked in '73.
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