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Post by Chris K. Hale on Dec 24, 2018 7:59:26 GMT -8
I think if you are building a replica of the original car the Grey would be accurate, In my Lotus book it says Chapman preferred the Grey as a method of detecting stress cracks or leaks in the Tub... Some restorers , like the 56 Turbine cars, have stayed with the Grey but most like that incorrect polished metal look.. Chris
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Post by eagle36 on Dec 24, 2018 9:25:12 GMT -8
Parnelli Jones was responsible for the Lotus 34 restoration. It says a lot for him that he took it back to Clark's markings. I went back through my reference stuff and found two of the classic Indy overhead shots of Clark's 38, that seemto show bare metal tub panels in the cockpit, but I wouldn't bet the farm on them. I agree that the Motor Sport article and for that matter, the video, place huge emphasis on the maintenance of originality, so it wouldn't make sense that they stripped the tub paint and left it bare metal.
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Post by dustymojave on Dec 24, 2018 20:04:45 GMT -8
So which restoration do you believe and go with? Joel Actually that question is the one in my mind as I posed the question to the group. I was hoping somebody would have accurate info and maybe even a period interior photo in color. Had it been up to me in the 1960s at the Lotus race car shop, I would have gone with bare aluminum. With all of my years of experience with race cars...I would STILL go that way. If the car were to be left outdoors in England, I would have painted the tub. Otherwise, bare aluminum would be the sensible answer. But the model build is about accuracy to the original to the best of my knowledge and to a reasonable extent. So it looks like apparently lacking photos, I'm thinking I'll probably go with the gray paint inside. If instead of building a replica of this famous Lotus, I was building a model of how I would have done things, it would be bare aluminum.
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Post by Joel_W on Dec 25, 2018 5:37:11 GMT -8
Richard, I'm no expert by any means, but from my limited knowledge and seeing early lotus pictures, gray does seem like the right choice. BTW, happy holidays. Joel
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Post by jj66 on Dec 27, 2018 11:14:13 GMT -8
I think original metal interior parts were painted in grey. IMHO IMC kit has a wrong body, it's an hybrid between Lotus 34 and 38. Lance Sellers resin kit and SE Finecast metal kit are best approaches.
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Post by dustymojave on Dec 27, 2018 21:38:01 GMT -8
OK, Juanjo, I'm convinced. Those are 2 photos I've not run across elsewhere. I thought maybe some members on here might have some sneaky underhanded pictures that would establish an answer for my question.
Regarding the body shape, you're right that it's not quite right. Especially the nose. The kit nose is very much Lotus 34 of 1964. It looks nice, but isn't right for the Lotus 38. It SHOULD BE a little longer, and from the front, the nose should be more squarish, wider at the top tan at the bottom. VERY similar to the Lotus 49. A nose is available from Indycals. I have that in mind. Along with the decals.
I'm not real happy with the front upper control arms either. The AMT Lotus 29 piece looks better. I haven't dug out my old kits of that. Indycals has a windscreen, tires and decals to fix that kit too. One of those that I have will be a Dan Gurney Lotus. So maybe I'll have to take a casting off the AMT piece.
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Post by dustymojave on Dec 31, 2018 2:06:00 GMT -8
... Regarding the body shape, you're right that it's not quite right. Especially the nose. The kit nose is very much Lotus 34 of 1964. It looks nice, but isn't right for the Lotus 38. It SHOULD BE a little longer, and from the front, the nose should be more squarish, wider at the top than at the bottom. VERY similar to the Lotus 49. A nose is available from Indycals. I have that in mind. Along with the decals. ... I'm going to have to retract that statement. I was wrong. The Indycals resin nose I was thinking of is for the AMT Lotus 29 1963 Indy car. I don't think I'm up to sculpting the correct nose shape. Nor preparing for making it via Shapeways 3D printed. Anybody have suggestions for a solution? I have a Heller Lotus 49B. But at this point I'm not so confident it's right really either, it's certainly NOT a 49, and it would take more than slicing off the wings to make it right for a 49. Plus it's 1/24, while the IMC/Testors Lotus 38 is 1/25. Of course, there is the Ebbro in 1/20... NAAAHH... The kit nose looks nice and the vast majority of people seeing it would have no clue that it isn't right. But there is one person who WOULD notice that. And that's the person I build to please...ME. But still, I may just go ahead and build it with the kit nose. Another issue is the seat. I'll need to fabricate a proper seat for it too, along with a firewall/bulkhead that it doesn't come with.
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Post by dustymojave on Jan 9, 2019 22:29:32 GMT -8
Building a replica of the restored car would be rather silly. I've always been all about the go, not about the show. So now the next issue is in part brought on by those interior photos. The IMC/Testors/Union Lotus 38 kit has inner tub panels that are straight vertical from floor to level with the top of the tub. The actual Lotus 38 has inner panels that are angled from about 1/2 way up from the floor. Strangely, the AMT 1963 Lotus 29 kit has this correct. I have a couple of those kits stashed away. Maybe I'll dig them out and use them for a guide to modify the inner tub panels from the 38. Or maybe use the parts for the 29. Maybe I'll just fake it and modify the panels according to pictures.
Full size original Lotus 38:
AMT Lotus 29: (not my model and not my pic) Looking for a pic of the interior of the IMC Lotus 38. I've seen one particular pic several times, but going back looking for it, it seems to have snuck off into a cubby hole somewhere.
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Post by John stevens on Nov 15, 2019 10:12:58 GMT -8
View AttachmentView AttachmentView AttachmentBack in the early to mid 1960, Jim Clark was one of my favorite drivers. I met him in person at races at Riverside. He was a famous driver, and I was a kid who was a minor Official for the Support races. But he was pleasant, and I had huge respect for him as a driver. I viewed him much as I viewed his friend and sometimes team mate Dan Gurney. Great driver, quite technically sharp (as opposed to some of the upper class drivers who were what I term "helmet baggers"-as in those drivers who have no involvement with the design, construction or prep of the race car and who only show up with their helmet, sit in the car and drive). So in 1963, I got one of the AMT Lotus 29-Ford kits. I was always a little unhappy with the windscreen of that kit. Far too narrow and straight sided. The engine and gearbox always seemed a little undersized too. Not bad, but a bit small. Then a couple of years later, IMC introduced a kit of Jim Clark's '65 winner. A similar car to the Lotus 29, though not the same. I found it strange that the AMT Lotus 29 was obviously mastered by the same person who mastered the IMC Ford GT series of models, and the MPC Lotus 56 Indy Turbine, yet the IMC Lotus 38 was obviously mastered by a different person. Very different Ford DOHC and gearbox. I never found one of the IMC kits back in the 60s, nor the Testors or Union issues of the same tool. I had tried to order the IMC kit through Auto World a few times, and each time they were out of stock. By the time I DID encounter one of these kits in person in the late 1980s, the seller was far too proud of it for me. I've been involved in bidding on them on evilBay a few times over the years, but never won an auction for one until this past week. I was surprised to win it at a quite decent price. One part is missing, that being the inner windscreen 'wind deflector'. If anyone reading this has one of these available for a reasonable price, or could trace the shape on paper for me, I would appreciate either quite a bit. Although since most people would never notice the inner screen or its lack. Now...Do any of you have any comments on building this kit? Tips, advice, negatives, suggestions, etc? I know there are some old builds on here of this car and other Lotus 38s. But most of the photos once included in those threads are no longer available. So are there better wheels? Better tires? Better bodywork? ...?
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Post by John stevens on Nov 15, 2019 10:19:55 GMT -8
Hello model makers can any Of you help me , I am looking for a sort of brass rubbing of the near side of the side section pod of the Jim's lotus 38 can you help, chinookhome@msn.com
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Post by pnance26 on Nov 15, 2019 11:43:49 GMT -8
Why did they leave the nose off the restoration?
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Post by expatriate on Dec 30, 2021 0:35:42 GMT -8
For the record THERE IS A LOTUS 38 KIT IN PRODUCTION! It’s in white metal not styrene though. www.sefinecast.co.ukSouth eastern Finecast 100 London Rd Bognor Regis West Sussex PO21 1DD Phone +44 1243-842525 Chichester UK www.sefinecast.co.uk/£59.00 plus post
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Post by grandsport3 on Jan 1, 2022 13:54:18 GMT -8
A "Projects box" of 1/24 Formula One cars, two IMC/Testors Lotus 38s, Four AMT/IMC Lotus 29s, Cox BRM, Eldon BRM, Dubro BRM H-16, two Cox Ferrari 158, a built 1512, Tasman F2 project, two Eldon Lotus 29s and a Carrera Matra and Carrera 312 engine with center wing And lots of tires wheels engine and suspensions is on eBay right now for $150, LAST DAY!
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