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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2020 9:07:03 GMT -8
Just throwing this out there guys as it was sparked by all the Tire Decal discussion in this post - I have a bunch of sheets of Goodyear tire decals if anyone is looking for some in a certain scale just drop me a line and I can see if I have them handy. I stencil all mine so I have a bunch of sheets kicking around.
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Adrian Adrian, I've never used a tire stencil and just got them from Gemini in Italy. What is the best way to apply them? I can post a photo of the stencils if it would help. Thanks. There are a number of different Tire Stencils out there right now .. all are slightly different and some easier to use than others .. as well as some creating better end results than others - some are split so that the GoodYear Portion is a Half Circle Stencil and the Eagle portion is another separate piece. Then there are the ones I use, which I prefer - these are one entire circle that is made to simply sit on the surface of the tire and then you spray.
Having said all that though its definitely not an easy or simple process at all - in fact I take several hours to stencil mine, and I feel you need to take that much time in order to attain the best results. Placement is key and there is a lot less placement issues if you have the Full Circle Stencil. You can use the halves as well but you must be very accurate in placement - which is tricky - the best method I have developed is to attack the lining up process from the back of the Stencil - so in other words place the stencil flat on a flat surface and then place the tire on top of the stencil making sure that there is an equal amount of space all around the circumference of the tire and the edge of the Stencil - this will ensure correct placement of the Logos.
I then flip the tire over carefully maintaining the alignment - then take 2 small pieces of tape and apply to each side of the stencil in order to hold the stencil on the tire. *Important* - only apply the tape loosely or you will bend the stencil causing leakage. Then I take a thinner piece of tape and wrap it around the surface of the tire so that it overlaps the 2 side pieces of tape - thus holding them in place. Then wearing a glove I use one finger to LIGHTLY press on the centre of the stencil - then I airbrush both Logos on a very low spray setting - and I do a layer ... wait about 2 minutes or so ... then go over with another layer until you achieve the density you want for your logos.
Personally I love to have a slight amount of overspray occur along the edges of the logos in a few areas and do so on purpose because for me it really creates realism - it looks like one of the mechanics literally sprayed them on in the pits before the race lol ... and that little bit of slight overspray shows that indeed these are sprayed on and not decals - but that's just me haha.
I no that's long winded but I hope it helps - it took me a long time and many different tries to get this recipe that I am now having the most success with - there are some templates out there that are more intense where you actually place the tire in a mold that holds it in the exact right place and is slight rounded - but I have only seen these for 1/20th Scale f1 stuff and I haven't tried them yet myself so I can't comment on there accuracy or ease of use.
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Post by Joel_W on Feb 24, 2020 13:01:23 GMT -8
Adrian, You sure make it sound easy. And here I thought that I finally got my tire decaling to look pretty good. At least till I saw your stenciling, and weathering.
Joel
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Post by pnance26 on Feb 24, 2020 14:20:00 GMT -8
So, Adrian, do you sand away the raised lettering that most tires come with? If you do remove that raised lettering, how do you get the slick look to the sidewalls after sanding?
I bought some stencils from Gemini and they are the half stencil with only the Firestone lettering. I am a bit disappointed the logo is missing.
I have seen some holders that the stencil pops into and then surrounds the tire. I wish I could remember where I saw those.
I paid for these stencils but am not sure about using them...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2020 15:33:57 GMT -8
So, Adrian, do you sand away the raised lettering that most tires come with? If you do remove that raised lettering, how do you get the slick look to the sidewalls after sanding? I bought some stencils from Gemini and they are the half stencil with only the Firestone lettering. I am a bit disappointed the logo is missing. I have seen some holders that the stencil pops into and then surrounds the tire. I wish I could remember where I saw those. I paid for these stencils but am not sure about using them... I haven't actually ever purchased a model that came with the raised 'Goodyear' lettering already molded onto the tire. To the best of my knowledge that's because I only build Tamiya Models, and someone please correct me if I am wrong here but I don't believe Tamiya ever does raised lettering - at least not on any of their 1/20th scale F1 stuff. I'm a bit picky that way - it has to be Tamiya or bust for me - the quality level is just so much higher in my opinion than any of the other manufacturers. Having said that I know there are some cars that you have to go to another manufacturer to find because Tamiya simply never made it. Tamiya's 1/12th Series Big Scale F1 series I believe may come with raised lettering - but I'm not 100% sure on that one.
You see for me guys it's always been about the tires I just love doing tires as realistically as I possibly can - it just excites me because if done correctly you can achieve models that (If photographed in the right setting) could pass for the real car. Therefore I get super excited about doing my tires and spend a lot of time and energy on them .. but I think it's worth it
For the Nascar's I'm working on right now I have to use Revell kits as donor's because the only Nascar model Tamiya ever released was a R/C model. But I can't complain because the newer Revell kits have really improved a lot. The tires unfortunately are still made from plastic and are grossly out of scale. Therefore I wanted to find more realistic 'Real Rubber' tires for my Nascar models - and I found them in the form of Scaletric tires of all things - they do a Nascar tire that is real rubber and it looks amazing once I have worked on it - and these come with a white racing logo on the face - I deal with that by hitting them with several very light coats of Tamiya 'Rubber Black' - Followed by hit of Flat Clear to seal the Black. Then I stencil over that.
Hope that helps ... It would be very near impossible to remove the raised letters unless you went at them with increasing sanding grades and folowed that up with wet sanding and then hit them with Tamiya Rubber Black - but that's a whole lot of work for logos lol - I wouldn't do it - I would probably try dipping them first - although dipping is a whole other kettle of fish ...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2020 15:38:17 GMT -8
So, Adrian, do you sand away the raised lettering that most tires come with? If you do remove that raised lettering, how do you get the slick look to the sidewalls after sanding? I bought some stencils from Gemini and they are the half stencil with only the Firestone lettering. I am a bit disappointed the logo is missing. I have seen some holders that the stencil pops into and then surrounds the tire. I wish I could remember where I saw those. I paid for these stencils but am not sure about using them... P.S. - I get almost all of my stencils (among other things) from a guy called 'Bestbalsakits' in Germany. He's expensive, but he has the good stuff and he gets it to me pretty quickly, and his packaging is top notch. But I source little bits from all over the world - All online. If you guys ever want me to compile a list of the places I source my parts from I'd be more than happy to.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2020 15:52:05 GMT -8
Adrian, You sure make it sound easy. And here I thought that I finally got my tire decaling to look pretty good. At least till I saw your stenciling, and weathering. Joel Honestly Joel I'm crazy when it comes to tires haha ... (example): When I was building my 641 Museum display I wanted the tires to look the way they did on the car in the museum from the reference photos - so I went so far as to glue 4 sewing needles to a metal ruler - all in a row - and then heat the tips up all at once with a liter until they glowed red - then lined them up and pressed them a certain depth into the tire bed to create the tiny oxygen escape mold holes that are present on the real tires ..lol - it was crazy but it worked like a charm!
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Post by pnance26 on Feb 24, 2020 16:05:16 GMT -8
So, Adrian, do you sand away the raised lettering that most tires come with? If you do remove that raised lettering, how do you get the slick look to the sidewalls after sanding? I bought some stencils from Gemini and they are the half stencil with only the Firestone lettering. I am a bit disappointed the logo is missing. I have seen some holders that the stencil pops into and then surrounds the tire. I wish I could remember where I saw those. I paid for these stencils but am not sure about using them... I haven't actually ever purchased a model that came with the raised 'Goodyear' lettering already molded onto the tire. To the best of my knowledge that's because I only build Tamiya Models, and someone please correct me if I am wrong here but I don't believe Tamiya ever does raised lettering - at least not on any of their 1/20th scale F1 stuff. I'm a bit picky that way - it has to be Tamiya or bust for me - the quality level is just so much higher in my opinion than any of the other manufacturers. Having said that I know there are some cars that you have to go to another manufacturer to find because Tamiya simply never made it. Tamiya's 1/12th Series Big Scale F1 series I believe may come with raised lettering - but I'm not 100% sure on that one.
You see for me guys it's always been about the tires I just love doing tires as realistically as I possibly can - it just excites me because if done correctly you can achieve models that (If photographed in the right setting) could pass for the real car. Therefore I get super excited about doing my tires and spend a lot of time and energy on them .. but I think it's worth it
For the Nascar's I'm working on right now I have to use Revell kits as donor's because the only Nascar model Tamiya ever released was a R/C model. But I can't complain because the newer Revell kits have really improved a lot. The tires unfortunately are still made from plastic and are grossly out of scale. Therefore I wanted to find more realistic 'Real Rubber' tires for my Nascar models - and I found them in the form of Scaletric tires of all things - they do a Nascar tire that is real rubber and it looks amazing once I have worked on it - and these come with a white racing logo on the face - I deal with that by hitting them with several very light coats of Tamiya 'Rubber Black' - Followed by hit of Flat Clear to seal the Black. Then I stencil over that.
Hope that helps ... It would be very near impossible to remove the raised letters unless you went at them with increasing sanding grades and folowed that up with wet sanding and then hit them with Tamiya Rubber Black - but that's a whole lot of work for logos lol - I wouldn't do it - I would probably try dipping them first - although dipping is a whole other kettle of fish ...Tamiya 1/12th tires indeed come with raised lettering. Look over on the 312B thread at the tires with the gold wheels and you can very clearly see the raised lettering. So after reading your description, I may have bought these stencils needlessly. Also I have a ton of Revell/Monogram NASCAR kits if you are ever looking for something. Most have the original decals. They are mostly 90s era cars with a few throwbacks. That said, I have never seen plastic tires on any but a few. Most have been rubber. But I am serious... check with me if there is a specific 90s kit you are looking for... I have a ton of Teryr Labonte and Dale Earnhardt. Hey, know what would be a good diorama? Dale pushing Terry into the wall at Bristol where Terry went to Victory Lane with a bent up car. The next year, Dale punted Terry out of the way and won. I saw that engine sitting in RCR's shop and they told us that the motor. I spit down the manifold when they weren't looking! I was such a Labonte fan. About two seconds later, Richard came busting through the double doors. I almost got caught by the man himself. Can you imagine the beating I would have gotten along with the arrest record? LOL!
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Post by pnance26 on Feb 24, 2020 16:06:39 GMT -8
So, Adrian, do you sand away the raised lettering that most tires come with? If you do remove that raised lettering, how do you get the slick look to the sidewalls after sanding? I bought some stencils from Gemini and they are the half stencil with only the Firestone lettering. I am a bit disappointed the logo is missing. I have seen some holders that the stencil pops into and then surrounds the tire. I wish I could remember where I saw those. I paid for these stencils but am not sure about using them... P.S. - I get almost all of my stencils (among other things) from a guy called 'Bestbalsakits' in Germany. He's expensive, but he has the good stuff and he gets it to me pretty quickly, and his packaging is top notch. But I source little bits from all over the world - All online. If you guys ever want me to compile a list of the places I source my parts from I'd be more than happy to.I think there is a specific place on this board where you can list resources. It would be great to have a list from you. Over there, you can also find what I thought was a pretty thorough list of available F1 kits in all scales. You probably know most of them.
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Post by pnance26 on Feb 24, 2020 16:07:46 GMT -8
Adrian, You sure make it sound easy. And here I thought that I finally got my tire decaling to look pretty good. At least till I saw your stenciling, and weathering. Joel Honestly Joel I'm crazy when it comes to tires haha ... (example): When I was building my 641 Museum display I wanted the tires to look the way they did on the car in the museum from the reference photos - so I went so far as to glue 4 sewing needles to a metal ruler - all in a row - and then heat the tips up all at once with a liter until they glowed red - then lined them up and pressed them a certain depth into the tire bed to create the tiny oxygen escape mold holes that are present on the real tires ..lol - it was crazy but it worked like a charm!The tiny oxygen mold holes aren't usually a problem on big scale tires. Most have them but that is a great idea using the needles.
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Post by Joel_W on Feb 25, 2020 6:34:04 GMT -8
I'm finding that most of the Asian kits these days come with smooth side tires that I decal. I just need to start to weather them a bit as Adrian has certainly set a new standard after seeing his tires.
I've tried to remove raised lettering from tires, and it always ended in ruined tires. Just not worth the effort to even try.
Joel
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Post by afx on Feb 27, 2020 15:38:00 GMT -8
I cleaned up your thread Mike and moved those related to Adrian's project over to his thread.
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Post by mike_t on Feb 27, 2020 17:04:12 GMT -8
I cleaned up your thread Mike and moved those related to Adrian's project over to his thread. Thanks, JC. I didn't really find it a problem but in the end I'm sure it'll make for better reading.
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Post by pnance26 on Feb 27, 2020 18:43:53 GMT -8
I cleaned up your thread Mike and moved those related to Adrian's project over to his thread. aActually a lot of them were mine!
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Post by afx on Feb 28, 2020 3:48:24 GMT -8
I cleaned up your thread Mike and moved those related to Adrian's project over to his thread. aActually a lot of them were mine! Understood but I believe they were your responses to Adrian's post. if I need to move any back let me know.
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Post by pnance26 on Feb 28, 2020 7:41:48 GMT -8
aActually a lot of them were mine! Understood but I believe they were your responses to Adrian's post. if I need to move any back let me know. It's up to Mike, but I'm good!
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