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Post by flashman on Nov 18, 2019 11:33:35 GMT -8
I don't know if this will help or cause more confusion, but the page for the 1979 Le Mans 24 Hours on the RacingSportsCars.com site (link below) identifies the following models for these cars: Winner #41 as Porsche 935 K3 Interscope #68 as Porsche 935/79 Dick Barbour cars#70 (Hawaiian Tropic red car) as Porsche 935 (Porsche 930/80 ?) #71 (Hawiian Tropic yellow car) as Porsche 935/77A #72 (Hawaiian Tropic dark blue car) as Porsche 935 (#930 770 ?) #73 (Wynn's white car) as Porsche 935 (930/73 ?) Here is that page: www.racingsportscars.com/photo/Le_Mans-1979-06-10.htmlThis is a great reference site listing the competitors in sports car and F1 races over the years. Hope this helps. Cameron
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Post by afx on Nov 19, 2019 4:26:37 GMT -8
Thanks for posting that info Cameron. Personally I find it difficult to differentiate the 935/77A from the 935/79. I wish I could find information on all the race car chassis numbers providing car details.
Racing Sports Cars is a great site. I have found a few errors is the listing however as can be excused in a database this large. Still a very useful site and one I refer to often.
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Post by darylh on Nov 19, 2019 7:49:56 GMT -8
Some good but confusing info here.
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Post by Joel_W on Nov 19, 2019 9:53:47 GMT -8
There's still something wrong with the Beemax model and the Indy Cal decals. The Beemax model claims to be the #70 1979 LeMans Hawaiian Tropic, a 956 K3. Here's the kit reference picture from Spot models: Indy Cals has this sheet listed as the 1979 Barbour Porsche 935 Le Mans #70 Hawaiian Tropic car: Both picture and drawing are of the same exact car, same markings, same race, same race team, and same drivers, but listed as different versions of the 935. I started this thread because I was planning on buying at least one if not two of the Beemax kits. Then Calvin posted his conversion based on the Beemax 935 K2. JCs post which contained pictures of the winning car which was a 935 K3 is completely different, but the kit doesn't represent that version which could have very well be modified for the LeMans race into a more efficient long tail version. I just don't want to build a kit that turns out to be wrong for reasons that the kit maker has the wrong version, which I really find hard to believe in this day and age of information including the real car. Nor would I say the same of Michael at Indy Cal, which now has a huge number of new Porsche 935-6 decals available. Honestly, I'm no closer to figuring this out then I was when I saw Calvin's conversion kit. Joel
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Post by afx on Nov 19, 2019 10:35:13 GMT -8
It may be possible Beemax intends to issue a kit of the Dick Barbour 935. However I am only aware of the pending K3 kit which would not be correct for the 1979 Hawaiian Tropic car(s). Scale Designs apparently produced a resin kit at one time of the Dick Barbour cars but I am not familiar with it nor have I seen one. As noted in the article I posted on the Dick Barbour Hawaiian Tropic car, chassis (Porsche 935 009 00030) eventually was re-bodied to become the Apple Computer sponsored Kremer K3. www.porscheroadandrace.com/the-old-warhorse/
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Post by Chris K. Hale on Nov 19, 2019 10:43:38 GMT -8
Joel, I know you read my post on the 935 variations , the main difference on the 935 K2 and the 935 K3 is the beginning of the use of a double rear window to skirt the rules and the front bumper was laid back to create an aero advantage this is a K-2 really it didnt race at many tracks mostly Lemans because the superior K-3 was available at the same time There was big disappointment when Beemax put out the K-2 because of the limited Liveries that it had raced under. Beemax has some smart guys because they will be producing the K-3, hopefully by Christmas..... compare the 2 photos above for main body changes. It became ever confusing at this time in the cars history because it was the beginning of the aftermarket cars being constructed, such as Andial, Fabcar , and several others.. I hope this helps a bit because it can as you say it becomes confusing. I suspect some of the info on Racing Sports Cars is not quite correct since the info was gleamed from entry forms at the events. Chris
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Post by Joel_W on Nov 20, 2019 7:10:21 GMT -8
Chris, \ Thanks for the information.
I've built the Beemax 935 K2 and just loved the kit, I'm more then thrilled with the finished model as a display piece.
The K3 that they show in their advance Pre-Order photo on Spot Models then would of the Hawaiian with the modified nose, but still with the K2 wing/rear deck making it a 935/79. And the BP sponsored car is a True 935 K3. So either Beemax has another kit on the way, or I'll have to hope that Calvin also does a conversion kit for the rear deck.
Joel
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Post by 2lapsdown on Nov 20, 2019 13:45:54 GMT -8
I'm so confused John
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Post by Joel_W on Nov 20, 2019 14:13:26 GMT -8
I'm so confused John John Me too, and I started this thread. Personally, I think it's all Porsche's fault from the get go. Joel
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2019 14:31:15 GMT -8
Stick with domestics!😎
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Post by Chris K. Hale on Nov 20, 2019 16:03:02 GMT -8
Strange the box shows the K3 raised rear wing section, double rear window? Something is rotten Ukraine!! Maybe the kit will offer both? We shall see...... I said at the beginning THIS IS CONFUSING. I have books on this car and I have a lot of trouble identifying some of these cars... Chris
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Post by afx on Nov 21, 2019 3:29:48 GMT -8
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Post by Chris K. Hale on Nov 21, 2019 5:12:52 GMT -8
Well this has been fun, when it comes to 935 Porsche Models Rob de Bie in Europe has the definitive listing and info on building them, maybe it will ease a bit of the confusion and fear of getting the wrong kit for the right subject, and even better its in Modelers term's. This is the Link robdebie.home.xs4all.nl/models/911-935.htm Rob's info is very accurate and dependable. He up-dates it almost daily too. Chris
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Post by Joel_W on Nov 21, 2019 5:37:18 GMT -8
JC, Thanks for posting those two pictures.
It's not that I must have the #70 Hawaiian because I love the car and markings, which I kind of do. I'm a huge, and I mean huge Paul Nueman fan. He made the rare transformation from Actor, lets play with cars, to super serious and super successful race car driver, taking no short cuts, nor any favors. Money and fame only got him in the front door with Bob Sharp Racing, from there on it was is determination, and skill set. The rest is history.
As I said before, I just don't want to build, paint, decal the Beemax 935 K3 and find out later that it's wrong. Real pictures keep on surfacing that are either early K3s, 79s, or even a non-LeMans short tail version.
I just don't know. Which does prove the point as my wife keeps on telling me that I was never the sharpest pencil in the box, and over time the point has gotten even duller.
Chris, I'm heading on over to that sight to get some much needed answers.
Bill, As for sticking to domestics, may I remind you that I did manage to screw up the Whale Tail version with the later versions that must have conformed to the associations rules.
Joel
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Post by Joel_W on Nov 21, 2019 6:57:26 GMT -8
Chris, I just finished my 1st visit to the Porsche site, and it's great. Unfortunately, I've now got more questions then answers, as unless there's a kit build, there's no link to what the car actually looked like other then the thumbnails that don't open up. And many of the links are no longer valid.
From just my 1st visit, the 935-79 and 935 K3 cars were both based on the 935-77 since there was no factory team for the 1979 season. the cars are very similar but there are 100 visual differences, but no pictures. The description of the rear wing clearly isn't what Beemax will be kitting, but does match the two pictures that JC posted a little while ago.
As I previously posted, the 935-79 and 935-K3 came in several variations throughout the season. Both Calvin's conversion of the Beemax 935-K2 making it a 935-79, and the to be released Beemax 935 K3 really seem to be the same exact car. The Indy Cal Hawaiian drawings for the 935-79 are also identical to the 935-K3.
There are now enough posted pictures here for me to honestly believe that the Hawwaiian Tropic #70 driven by Paul Newman is likely an early K3. In any event, I will build the Beemax kit when it's released. I'm also hoping that someone will do a conversion of the rear deck and wing structure for the later K3. And I'll most likely call my build blog: The 1/24 scale Beemax Porsche 935-79/K3 Hawaiian Tropic, and skip the background on the real car.
As I said earlier, I blame Porsche for all of this confusion, as various versions just seemed to have the same designation.
Joel
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