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Post by afx on Feb 27, 2020 3:26:00 GMT -8
Impressive work Mike
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Post by mickgee on Feb 27, 2020 11:12:24 GMT -8
Thanks JC, much appreciated.
Today I've started lacing the front rims, and hope to update progress on the weekend.
Mike..
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Post by mickgee on Feb 28, 2020 14:32:36 GMT -8
Update..
Today the laced wire wheels on the agenda. This time around I wanted to try 48 spokes on a small 2.5" wheel, using 0.20mm copper wire. Result is just ugly, and insane, cannot be used. The clutter around the hub was visually a solid wire mesh halfway to the rim. For this small rim just impossible to function.
Here a 32 spoke wheel using ultra thin 0.20mm silver coated copper wire. Tires are from the Tony Nancy kit, thank you Bernard again for these. Also a comparison kit wheels to thin wires.
A few spoke alignment issues, but still I'd mount them on current project. Just not sure yet if they're too small....feedback?
Also shown are the 0.25mm wires from The Old Master model.
Feedback would be appreciated. Are the wires too thin?
Mike..
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Post by afx on Feb 28, 2020 14:37:57 GMT -8
Searched for a photo to compare them to and I like the size of the spokes.
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Post by tatocorvette on Feb 29, 2020 4:37:35 GMT -8
In my opinion, if it had less spokes then it would probably look too thin. I think they are close to be too thin, but look just right. The wire would be roughly about 3/16 of an inch in scale. Just my opinion.
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Post by mickgee on Mar 1, 2020 11:53:34 GMT -8
Searched for a photo to compare them to and I like the size of the spokes. My gosh..JC, what an excellent photo! Geez, also, check out the clear simplicity of the steering construction. This photo is the best I've ever seen of a simple model building example! Important here, the tie rod runs traversal just under the top radius rod, being this a double radius rod build. My project here will have a single radius rod each side, yet still letting the tie rod go underneath. Very important.
Meantime, from what I've learned from knowledgeable racers, my 32 spokes is not the real deal. We need 40 spokes on a 17" wheel, late 60's. So, I've cut the 32 spokes out and made a "clock jig" for the 40 spokes, using ultra thin, silver plated copper wire in 0.20 mm. After looking at countless photos of late 60s cars, this is the way to go. Anyways, they sure look intricate on the pink car that was built last year. Yes, I'm going 40 spokes with a 17" rim and thin wires.
Thanks JC..excellent!
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Post by mickgee on Mar 1, 2020 11:59:46 GMT -8
In my opinion, if it had less spokes then it would probably look too thin. I think they are close to be too thin, but look just right. The wire would be roughly about 3/16 of an inch in scale. Just my opinion. Thanks for this! Much appreciated.
I had a conversation with real racers and model car builders with knowledge, and the wire thickness seems to be a personal choice, as well as the amount of spokes. Lots of variations were offered back in the day, but bottom line was still a matter of taste...and cash.
I've seen now model cars with 40 spokes and thin wires, and have to write..YES! I want this.
Meanwhile...done! Let me get some chrome paint on the copper rims and we can have a look.
Thanks fellas....very much appreciated!
Mike..
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Post by mickgee on Mar 3, 2020 12:17:06 GMT -8
Front wire wheels, update.
Meantime, I've learned a few things about this wire lacing deal.
Originally, some mistakes were made.
1. The studs of which the wire is wrapped around were too thick, half as much is better 2. The hub has to be smaller, make it the same size as the studs 3. Smaller studs and hub allow the wires to be closer together, making the run of the spokes much cleaner when the 2nd rim is attached
I had to redo one of the 40 spoke wheels. A senior moment....CA and water don't mix. Check out the crud on the wires around the hub, plus the hub itself is just too large diameter, shown on the 1st pic.
I've decided to go with 40 spokes, using the ultra thin 0.20mm wire. After viewing countless 60s and 70s dragster, it's obvious that perhaps all cars had 40 spokes.
Not good. Big load of CA on wet spokes...this wheel needed redoing, the hub was too large also. . Old wheel goes into the trash.
Here the smaller studs and hub;
Here the 20 spokes soldered on;
The wires have to sliced through to lift the wheel off;
The excess wire has to be trimmed off completely. Very important! Otherwise, when soldering the 2 rims together, the wires will float and move around with the molten solder....catastrophe is on the way;
Here the "good side" of the rim, if inside or outside has yet to be determined, unimportant now;
Here the single rim with reduced wire ends, and the smoothed out rim. Also, between the spokes has been reduced to make some room for the 2nd rim.
Visible side, ready for connection to the other rim.
Here the new finished wheel. 40 spokes with thin 0.20mm wire, and smaller hub.
Two radius rods yet to do, then the front axle is finished, along with the wire wheels. Maybe next the fuel tank.
Mike..
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Post by arcticwolf on Mar 3, 2020 12:21:21 GMT -8
Thats more an art form than anything else. Beautiful work!
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Post by afx on Mar 3, 2020 12:39:14 GMT -8
Those wheels are impressive.
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Post by Ben_B on Mar 4, 2020 9:31:23 GMT -8
That’s Some amazing work! Wow!
Ben
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2020 9:36:26 GMT -8
That rim work is Next Level stuff - fantastic!
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Post by mickgee on Mar 5, 2020 11:41:53 GMT -8
Thanks fellows for the positive resonance, greatly appreciated.
I like the dragster cars, simple and powerful and insanely quick.
Just the model kits have wheels that are atrocious, and this is exactly what I'm trying to tackle in the simplest form I can come up with, be it for brass builders or for styrene builders, both may hopefully benefit.
Currently the radius rods are on the bench, another thing that may greatly enhance our models. I think to have found a simple way to make believable rod ends for hotrods, dragsters and other models. Soon I can make a photo sequence.
Mike..
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Post by mickgee on Mar 7, 2020 11:46:06 GMT -8
Today a small update...
The front end is done, just needs to be hooked up, after chassis painting though.
Also, I've been on the body, the cowl is done. The headers are aligned and chopped off to length, plus I've finally learned to make decent rod ends without going broke with RB motion....but I never bought their stuff anyway.
The ends now take about 5 minutes each and are easy as heck in the meantime.
Here a peek;
Next up will probably be the fuel tank and steering.
Mike..
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Post by arcticwolf on Mar 7, 2020 11:55:29 GMT -8
It would almost be a crime to paint that.
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