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Post by afx on May 6, 2021 3:07:45 GMT -8
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Post by robhart on May 6, 2021 16:20:19 GMT -8
That Mustang actually looks like a Mustang. Five speed transaxles and center lock wheels too. Still using push rod engines though. I guess you can only drag Nascar, kicking and screaming, so far into the 21st century.
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Post by tatocorvette on May 6, 2021 17:02:19 GMT -8
Hello,
With all due respect and I know this is very subjective, I don't like them in the least bit. They are hideous from the A pillars backwards (especially the back) when you try to make them something they are not. There is absolutely nothing, not a single Mustang, Camaro or Camry part in those. Not even dimensions. It is like calling the Honda Indy cars "Accords". Even just calling them Ford, Chevy and Toyota would be a stretch. But in all fairness, my opinion doesn't really count much as I stopped following NASCAR years ago. I was a huge NASCAR fan back in the 80's and 90's. I even drove one at the Richard Petty school. I wish them the best.
Thanks, Ismael
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Post by arcticwolf on May 6, 2021 18:13:40 GMT -8
In 1981, Eppie Weitzes won the Trans Am title driving a race modified Chevy Corvette. It was the end of the era. The next year, Huffaker Engineering showed up with a tube framed purpose built race car with Pontiac Firebird body panels over it. T/A cars were pretty much all silhouette racers after that. Nascar has taken it to an even greater extreme. Everyone is mandated to run the same chassis, same body panels, same tires, same toilet paper. It's nothing more than a spec series. OK, pick your own engine, 1 of 3 choices, and as many decals as will fit - Nascar approved only of course. No room for innovation, or forward thinking, or complaint. Almost as bad as Indycar. There's nothing "stock" about stock cars anymore. I feel almost sorry for the drivers.
I'll stick to F1 and the sports cars.
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Post by Chris K. Hale on May 6, 2021 18:51:05 GMT -8
In their attempt to stop Cheating, they created a Spec. series. I long for the days of the Torino Talledega, Superbird, even Smokey's 7/8th's scale Chevelle ( was it a Nova?) That's was what it was all about. Dan told me about NOS bottles in the Tube frames, Nitro in the second pit stop because they check the fuel at the beginning and end of the race. They called it "POP" back then. Speed activated rear deck lids for additional downforce. Oh Hell if the crew chief could think it up they tried it. I think they should have a NASCAR Museum of just the stuff the teams tried (cheating) and didnt get away with... Chris
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Post by vintagerpm on May 7, 2021 4:42:21 GMT -8
I think they are "camels" - a horse designed by committee. The front is Mustang, the back is Camry, and roof is Camaro.
Mike
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Post by Joel_W on May 7, 2021 6:16:02 GMT -8
Well, it sure looks like I'm the only one so far on the other side of the Nascar fence. While I really don't like the overall look of the next gen car, just the fact that front clip does look like the make it's suppose to be is a baby step in the right direction. But without having one basic car, they'll never achieve equality on the track, which is the show for the fans that they're aiming for.
I do watch the occasional Nascar oval race but still no restrictor plate races if you can call them that. I love the show that Nascar puts on the road courses, and this year they've got 7 of them. Sure seems that the fans and tv ratings prove that out. Interesting that the road test just completed on the Roval had the Next Gen car nearly two seconds faster then the current car. Surely the independent rear and 5 speed sequential box had a lot to do with it.
joel
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Post by Ben_B on May 7, 2021 8:59:52 GMT -8
The Mustang and Camaro look okay, but I still prefer cars that look like what they’re pretending to be, like GT3 and GT4 cars. I read on another forum that the new NASCAR specs are similar to Australian V8 Supercars spec. I don’t know much about that series, other than it’s good racing. I’ll probably watch a road race or two, but oval track racing is like watching Skittles get flushed down the toilet.
Ben
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Post by Chris K. Hale on May 7, 2021 10:15:43 GMT -8
Joel, NASCAR just went Fuel Injection 2 years ago... Hilborn started using FI during WW-II when he developed it to make the Mustang and Spitfires faster than anything the Germans had.. even the initial Jets they came out with.. That's and awful long time to figure it out. So this year they stopped using the 1967 Chevy Truck Rear Trailing arm suspension.. kind of tells a story don't it! As a Tifosi, F-1 super fan and Design Automotive engineer I have no sympathy for the lack of intelligence they tend to base the Rules on..
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Post by Joel_W on May 7, 2021 11:00:55 GMT -8
Chris, I never said that the Nascar cars were high tech. Heck, as you pointed out you could most likely build one from a well stocked junk yard. Since I'm mainly interested in the Nascar road course races, I found it interesting that the next Gen car is that much faster then the current model on the Roval.
joel
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Post by sylphide on May 7, 2021 14:41:46 GMT -8
If anything its starting to just be a Trans-Am TA2 car. I loved Aussie V8s back in earlys 2010s and I think they share the roof line with the production car or atleast they used to. Kinda funny that I remember hearing that Aussie V8s wants to add ovals to their series while Nascar is adding more road courses which I applaud them for. Now if they got rid of stage racing maybe I might actually bother to tune in....
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Post by Joel_W on May 7, 2021 16:05:50 GMT -8
Tough call between 3 stages to a race, and a host of pre-planned just in case yellow flags to tighten up the field. No need for either on the road courses. And I gotta admit that they put on some show turning right and left.
joel
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