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Post by sylphide on May 8, 2021 16:30:37 GMT -8
While I'm basically waiting for paint to cure properly this time before masking my Camaro it gives me some time to start on something else that should be a pretty easy build. Starting out with the Hasegawa 962C kit and making the iconic Blaupunkt Joest scheme from Indycals. I had to do some researching to actually figure what scheme this decal sheet is trying to reproduce which seems to be the Suzuka race from 1989 plus some of the additional details like the car was using double diveplanes isn't mentioned on the site. Plan to do just some minor scratch building in the cockpit and rear since its known the rear of the car is basically a black void with nothing there to fill out the space on this kit. Also started grinding out the passenger seat as every photo I've ever seen of a 962 never had one installed, maybe it was a rule for Le Mans only and not WSC? I'm not sure.
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Post by afx on May 9, 2021 3:38:01 GMT -8
The FIA dropped the requirement for luggage storage, spare tire and a passenger seat. Not sure when these requirements were phased out however.
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Post by Joel_W on May 10, 2021 13:23:36 GMT -8
Johnny,
Great project for sure, so I'll be following your build to your 962C crosses the finish line.
I'm a big fan of Michael's ever increasing selections of decals at Indy Cals. The 962C must led the field with most offerings. The only issue as you found out is that Michael really doesn't tell you what car/race the decals are designed for. I've bought a few sets for one kit only to find out that it's not the right version.
joel
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Post by arcticwolf on May 10, 2021 14:12:49 GMT -8
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Post by Joel_W on May 10, 2021 14:39:44 GMT -8
Paul, So two seats are correct?
joel
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Post by arcticwolf on May 10, 2021 18:04:47 GMT -8
Paul, So two seats are correct? joel I don't know. That one had 2 seats, and the sticker says "LeMans". Maybe unique to the 24hrs, they've been known to come up with their own wacky rules from time to time. Looks scruffy enough and well used. I wouldn't want to be the passenger. They look a lot better with all the gizmo's instead of the seat though.
(Interesting, but my Tamiya 962 kit? - no passenger seat!)
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Post by sylphide on May 10, 2021 20:11:27 GMT -8
I think it was a Le Mans only rule the more I looked into it. Saw some pictures of the Sauber C9 at Le Mans 89 and it had a passenger seat but then the same year at the Jarama WSC round it didn't appear to be there. So I'm just assuming everyone took theirs out when it wasn't required, would've just been dead weight.
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Post by Joel_W on May 11, 2021 4:59:00 GMT -8
Sylphide, That does make a lot of sense, but as Paul pointed out, teams used that space for all sorts of electrical equipment that would have to be relocated for just one race. Doesn't really make much sense. One would think that the teams would get together and try to talk some reason into them.
joel
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Post by Ben_B on May 11, 2021 10:07:14 GMT -8
Best answer from this thread; it seems like it was/is a Le mans rule. Basically, the LeMans prototype class evolved from cheating. Back in the day you had to homologate your Sports GT Prototype cars by building at least 100 units for road-going use. By the mid-60s Ferrari was trying to pass off mid-engined 250 LMs as variants of the front engined 250 cars, Aston Martin was numbering their DB4-Rs downward from chassis #200 and Ford was claiming the Shelby Daytonas as Cobra continuations. They never made anything close to 100 of these cars but they still had to at least look like they could be made into true road cars.
So rather than outlaw all these great race-cars the FIA modified the top class level into true bespoke racers but kept the very basic rules of sportscar racing from days when open-wheel formula racing split from closed-wheel sportscar racing, back when the Targa Floria and such were still grueling cross-country races that required a mechanic and tools along for the ride: room for at least two seats and some luggage space.The entire thread has some interesting comments. It was required at Le Mans but perhaps the second seat wasn't required at other races, as Paul mentioned? Ben
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Post by vintagerpm on May 11, 2021 10:36:24 GMT -8
Sylphide, One would think that the teams would get together and try to talk some reason into them. joel Reason with the ACO? Surely you jest. I had a boss who was French. (Actually, one of many, as I worked for a French company.) He used to race but his job kept him from really even following much racing. He knew I was a racing fan and called me into his office one day to talk racing, and specifically, something he'd heard about Le Mans. When I was done explaining the ACO regulation and reasons he said "That's, that's just so f*cking French." Nearly fell out of my chair laughing. Mike
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Post by sylphide on May 12, 2021 15:50:54 GMT -8
Got the upper set of diveplanes made and the passenger seat filled in. The lower set wont be able to be glued in until the very end as there is sponsor decals that have to go over the area first. Also noticed my decal sheet was missing the best house logo on top of the headlight and contacted Michael about it and is sending the corrected version to me.
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Post by Joel_W on May 13, 2021 13:33:00 GMT -8
sylphide
Nice job on the pass/seat, but I'm really super impressed on that upper dive plane as it looks spot on perfect.
joel
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Post by arcticwolf on May 13, 2021 13:33:43 GMT -8
Al Holberts 962. I'm assuming that's an IMSA spec. I hope so, sure wouldn't want to try re -locating all that to make room for a seat.
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Post by Joel_W on May 14, 2021 6:01:12 GMT -8
Paul, What a great pic. I just had to save it for a future project.
joel
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Post by Ben_B on May 15, 2021 1:50:20 GMT -8
Great photo! I could have used it when I built my model of Holbert's car. I love the "962" stamped into the rear bullkhead. Ben
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