Future project references/research/educated guesses sought

[robhart]

I'm interested in building a model of this Falcon that competed in the 1964 Monte Carlo Rally, but I can't find enough info to sort out some of the details. Any additional information will be much appreciated. Some sources say the car was prepared by Holman Moody, but other sources say Alan Mann. The only information I can find regarding suspension mods says stiffer springs and 15" wheels, but I'm thinking it probably also had staggered rear shocks and some sway bars. I have a Trumpeter kit and some AMT Mustang kits to rob parts from. Here is selection of photos that I found on the internet:



Does anyone know of a source(s) for the driving lights?





The photo caption says the carbs are Carters, but I have never heard of Carters on a Ford. However, they don't look like Holleys. Could they be Autolites?







The seats are obviously not stock and I have no clue as to what they came out of. The door cards have been removed, but the headliner and dome light is still installed. I don't see any evidence of a roll bar or cage. The bottom picture is of the back seat of a 63 Falcon that ran in rally the previous year. I would have guessed the back seat would have been removed, but apparently not. I can't tell if the seat back has been removed or just covered.
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[afx]

I have contemplated a similar build myself Rob. The Escort Rally kit has some really nice driving lights, if you can bring yourself to rob them from this expensive and difficult to find kit.  Spot Model carries a lot off rally car parts, you might look there as well.

[Art]

Rob,

I have the Revell version of the kit JC shows above. If those lights will work for you, I could make some resin copies.

-Art

[Chris K. Hale]

They look like Holley's , the fuel inlet assembly and linkage doesnt look like a Carter at all, I would use the set up from a Corbra 289 kit or similar set up. Autolite carbs were made by Holley under license from Ford.. . if you are just looking for the lamps I will look for them , I know I have several sets in the parts stash.. I used some like those on my Porsche 904 build.. Chris
Ps. I will check my Alan Mann racing file, I know they ran a Falcon in the Saloon series but Rally?

[Chris K. Hale]

Yup, Alan Mann racing Monte Carlo Rally 1964 !! same car... Chris

[Chris K. Hale]

OOOOOOPPPS

[afx]

Not sure if the Trumpeter kits includes a dual carb intake.  I took one from the Revellogram 427 and modified it to fit the Revellogram 289 for my Dragonsnake build.

[robhart]

Jan 7, 2017 5:04:20 GMT -8 afx said:

I have contemplated a similar build myself Rob. The Escort Rally kit has some really nice driving lights, if you can bring yourself to rob them from this expensive and difficult to find kit.  Spot Model carries a lot off rally car parts, you might look there as well.

JC, Thanks for the info. I don't want to hunt down and rob a pricey and collectible kit if I can avoid it, but I am going to follow up on your Spot Model recommendation.

[robhart]

Jan 7, 2017 7:59:27 GMT -8 Art said:

Rob,

I have the Revell version of the kit JC shows above. If those lights will work for you, I could make some resin copies.

-Art

Art, thanks for the generous offer, but I'm going to check out some other sources before I ask you to give up time, effort, and expense.

[robhart]

Jan 8, 2017 6:05:22 GMT -8 Chris K. Hale said:

They look like Holley's , the fuel inlet assembly and linkage doesnt look like a Carter at all, I would use the set up from a Corbra 289 kit or similar set up. Autolite carbs were made by Holley under license from Ford.. . if you are just looking for the lamps I will look for them , I know I have several sets in the parts stash.. I used some like those on my Porsche 904 build.. Chris
Ps. I will check my Alan Mann racing file, I know they ran a Falcon in the Saloon series but Rally?

Chris, thanks. If you don't mind looking, I'll be grateful for anything you can come up with.

[robhart]

Here is the 2 x 4bbl intake and the tops of the carbs that are in the kit. They actually look pretty close to what I need (note to self: look in the kit first next time.



In fact, the whole kit engine (but not the transmission) looks useable:

[afx]

That is a very nice engine. Looks like it includes a generator in lieu of an alternator, not sure which is correct for your project.

[robhart]

Good call on the generator. Given all of the lights, I'm thinking the real car probably had an alternator, but I'm going to research further.

[dustymojave]

In 64, a generator is correct. The C4 looks well done. But the car should have a 4 speed T10.

I worked on restoring one of the '64 Monte Carlo Falcons for a fellow who lives in Central California. The window frames are aluminum instead of die cast and chrome plated zinc. They look the same as the standard production ones. The side and rear windows are Plexiglas. Looks the same. The bumpers are aluminum...look (almost) the same. 9" rear axle. T-Bird disc brakes on the front on Big Ford (Galaxie/Lincoln) spindles. Hood/trunk lid/front fenders - fiberglass. The car I worked on had front spring jacking screws set in the top of cylindrical towers welded to the stock inner fenders (not an original FIA Rally legal mod). The exhaust had 2.5" dual exhaust pipes pretty much straight back to the rear bumper with a hump over the axle, with oval mufflers about 6 or 7" wide and about 21" long. The exhaust hung on Ferrari dual rubber strap exhaust hangers, same as used on a GTO. It had tri-Y headers like a GT350.

Many of the performance tricks used soon after on the GT350s were developed on the Falcons, like the relocated upper a-arm mounts, the Monte Carlo Bar (strut bar) connecting the spring towers across the front-top of the engine, etc.

[afx]

Speaking of tri-y headers I haven't been able to find a period photo to confirm what they look like.  These are a modern version, can anyone confirm they are accurate?