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Post by adrian29341 on Aug 4, 2021 6:30:12 GMT -8
Adrian, The tires came out looking perfect. Same goes for the two exhaust tips. But I'm totally confused about the paint issues. At this point both the Magenta and the Black have been stripped, and then you reprimed with Tamiya Gray primer but the coats were to heavy, so there's a major build up along the edges of the tape. Have you considered sanding with a fine grit but 90 degrees from the body of the tape across the edge? That will prevent the tape from tearing the edge. Just work slowly and very carefully. joel Ya it was totally my fault Joel ... a rookie mistake - I lay on the primer too heavy so that it literally drowned the tape line - complete mental brain fart on my behalf. I was too scared to try any type of sanding along the tape line that was visible, so I am applying the Magenta and hoping I get lucky at this point - but I won't know that until the Magenta is complete and bone dry when I peel the tape. I painted the body black to begin with - then made the mistake of using an acrylic Magenta on Tamiya X-1 Blk and as we all know oil and water don't mix - so I had to strip the Magenta and then prime it - that's when I over pumped the primer - just a stupid mistake on my part. I'm committed now though and will have to keep my fingers crossed - I mean worst case scenario if there is Primer showing then I will have to re-tape just slightly below the line and hit it with X-1 again to cover the primer line - then wet sand everything down to a smooth finish.
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Post by Joel_W on Aug 4, 2021 7:58:57 GMT -8
Adrian, Thanks for the explanation as it now makes complete sense to me. I've got my fingers crossed that once you remove the tape, that the hard edge sands and polishes out just fine.
Still trying to find a few decent pictures of the interior for you, but other then cockpit shots with the driver blocking the details, nothing worth posting. Sorry for not coming up with anything you can use.
joel
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Post by adrian29341 on Aug 4, 2021 9:02:58 GMT -8
Adrian, Thanks for the explanation as it now makes complete sense to me. I've got my fingers crossed that once you remove the tape, that the hard edge sands and polishes out just fine. Still trying to find a few decent pictures of the interior for you, but other then cockpit shots with the driver blocking the details, nothing worth posting. Sorry for not coming up with anything you can use. joel Oh Joel please don't apologize my friend, I've been hunting for weeks and can't find anything definitive - as you so aptly stated, any interior shots usually have the driver strapped in so you can't see anything - and Jim wrote me as well and said what I had pretty much felt myself that these modern cockpits are 'Black Holes' essentially - almost everything is situated on the steering wheels now - just a bias Lever from what I can tell from the shots I was able attain. You are literally looking at Carbon Fibre walls with one lever and the rest is on the Steering wheel - boring but effective I suppose. I will put everything I can see in there though, at 1/18 scale there is a bit more room for interior detailing vs. the Tamiya 1/20 kits. Everyone here is always very helpful when it comes to sourcing and it's a great resource for sure
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Post by adrian29341 on Aug 16, 2021 12:19:54 GMT -8
Well I have a lot to cover so I'm going to try and be quick and to the point wherever possible. The past week has easily been the worst and most trying week of modeling I can remember. It was literally one test after the next every single day. Everything that went wrong though was my own fault - and it is only the fact that I finally realized this and reset myself that I'm able to have a smile on my face now. I broke the Golden rule of our hobby - Time - doing things too quickly due to impatience. I battle impatience in every aspect of my life - time haunts me - literally. I get too excited by the visions I have the complete model that I do not allow enough dry time on so many things. So, the body I have made so many mistakes on that I came to a head on Friday and I said screw this Adrian you are trying to meet some kind of invisible deadline that you set for yourself every time you start a new project - and this goes into every aspect of my life, not just modeling. So what happened is that I didn't allow enough dry time for the Black section of the body and taped it off with Tamiya yellow tape - which I use every day and for some reason didn't think it would leave residue or just simply destroy the Black that I had applied once I peeled it off - I did try and use plastic to cover the bulk of the tape off but in some sections I just laid the Tape right on the black - well of course when I removed the tape it had not only left glue residue but it had literally created bumps and patterns throughout the black - that's after the second full taping job - all my fault for not giving ample dry time. So I decided it's time to slow down - so I got my black on exactly how I want it finish wise - and then hit it with Future - and now I'm giving it a couple of days to dry and harden so that this time there shouldn't be any glue residue left. I really struggled with disappointment to the stage where I considered calling the whole thing off - by I didn't - and I reset my mind and my approach, and tomorrow I will attempt to apply the FL. Magenta again - which by the way is a 3 step process to get the colour to match the actual car - 1 coat of primer - then hit it with Magenta, and finally hit it with Tamiya flourescent Pink - which by the way lays on so nicely - just like a still lake. In between all that I engrossed myself in a few of the smaller detail and scratch building - pics are shown here - I scratch built the Brake Air intakes on the front wheels - as there are none on the original model - had a lot of fun weathering them to appear burned. In this hobby less is always more, and more dry time is always better than less - always. I'm not a Rookie but I spent the week making Rookie mistakes On the very positive side I found an incredible source for up close photos for this build - while watching the race on TV I paused and took pics when they did close ups - so I've included some to show you - learned something new
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Post by adrian29341 on Aug 16, 2021 12:23:49 GMT -8
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Post by Joel_W on Aug 17, 2021 6:25:06 GMT -8
Adrian,
Now that's some update.
I've been there. done that a million times. Back in the 1970s I was heavily into my local IPMS club and military aircraft. Life revolved solely around local club contests, IPMS Regional contests, and the rare IPMS National contest. I judged my work solely on how it placed throughout that yearly contest period. I only built for contests, and only one model per category for the year. I usually had in 1/72nd scale a jet fighter, in 1/48 scale single and duel props, and a jet fighter if there was time. I pushed and pushed myself to the point where frustration and disappointments were getting to be the norm. After years of this, I just packed it in and walked away from the hobby for 30 years or so. I came back this time with a completely different mindset. No contests, build for myself, enjoy the research and the build to my personal standards, and no self imposed time limits. Life is so different, and once again I'm really enjoying building. the switch to cars was the final part of the puzzle. Plus finding a few forums especially this one has really helped me enjoy the hobby. Glad that you took a long deep breath and regrouped.
Letting paint dry and cure is almost as much of an art as it is a science. What works one time may not work the next. I paint with lite coats only 3 min between coats. The lacquer only paints evenly dry for the most part. I give them 2 full days to cure. Once cured you really won't need that Future coat as it just fills in recessed panel lines. Even with Tamiya tape I detack it so it just has enough "stick" for the job. Your plan of attack with or without the Future coat is rock solid, and I'm looking forward to your results.
Nice job on fabricating those brake ducks.
I'll be trying out your capturing images via You Tube as it sounds like a great resource.
Joel
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Post by adrian29341 on Aug 17, 2021 6:57:39 GMT -8
Adrian, Now that's some update. I've been there. done that a million times. Back in the 1970s I was heavily into my local IPMS club and military aircraft. Life revolved solely around local club contests, IPMS Regional contests, and the rare IPMS National contest. I judged my work solely on how it placed throughout that yearly contest period. I only built for contests, and only one model per category for the year. I usually had in 1/72nd scale a jet fighter, in 1/48 scale single and duel props, and a jet fighter if there was time. I pushed and pushed myself to the point where frustration and disappointments were getting to be the norm. After years of this, I just packed it in and walked away from the hobby for 30 years or so. I came back this time with a completely different mindset. No contests, build for myself, enjoy the research and the build to my personal standards, and no self imposed time limits. Life is so different, and once again I'm really enjoying building. the switch to cars was the final part of the puzzle. Plus finding a few forums especially this one has really helped me enjoy the hobby. Glad that you took a long deep breath and regrouped. Letting paint dry and cure is almost as much of an art as it is a science. What works one time may not work the next. I paint with lite coats only 3 min between coats. The lacquer only paints evenly dry for the most part. I give them 2 full days to cure. Once cured you really won't need that Future coat as it just fills in recessed panel lines. Even with Tamiya tape I detack it so it just has enough "stick" for the job. Your plan of attack with or without the Future coat is rock solid, and I'm looking forward to your results. Nice job on fabricating those brake ducks. I'll be trying out your capturing images via You Tube as it sounds like a great resource. Joel Thanks so much for stopping by and for that well thought out feedback Joel - it means a lot reading that and what you went through gives me a much better picture of your modeling career. I also use the multiple light coat process and I know it's the only way to go yet the impatience sometimes takes over as it did last week and that's when I get into trouble. You are so right though about how nothing is ever the same from one build to the next when it comes to paint application - you think it would be but it never is - I think me forgetting that Golden rule is what was at the heart of my struggles last week. But as soon as I realized I had taken the fun out of this build at that point for this ridiculous "Deadline' I'd set myself, I stepped back and reset - but it will always be something I have to fight against through out my life. Thank you for your kind words and I think we all as builders have a certain aspect of any build that we really get more excited by than other areas and for me it's definitely the scratch building - exhausts - extra wings - cockpit details etc. especially on these full conversion mae-overs because there is so little detail and realism on the factory release. I move to the Magenta tonight so wish me luck my friend and thanks again for your wisdom!
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Post by Joel_W on Aug 17, 2021 16:12:46 GMT -8
Adrian, I've enjoying both builds as their similar but quite different in what you're trying to accomplish. But knowing you and your abilities, both will cross the finish line in 1st place for sure.
BTW, my goal these days is just to finish my build to my own standards, and enjoy the ride while I can.
joel
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Post by adrian29341 on Aug 30, 2021 9:56:25 GMT -8
I've never battled more with a paint application than I did on this piece - 3 weeks later I have finally got it to a place I'm happy with. This Florescent Magenta does not exist in a Laquer, so part of the battle was trying to succeed in combining acrylic and laquer on the same surface - not easy. And as is often the case, the solution happened by accident. It was only when I decided to add some florescent pink on top of the Acrylic that it somehow formed a super flat super smooth hard shell on top of the acrylic Magenta - it was crazy really - never seen it in my life before. Tamiya PS on V. Acrylic. Possibly the harder you battle on a build the greater the success feels if you can manage to pull it off in the end? I don't know. So I'm still waiting on my replacement decals from Mike at Indycals - which actually works out because it forces dry time as well as gives me lots of time to work on all the detail ideas that I had for the interior - specifically applying Carbon Fibre decalling everywhere it exists on the actual car. I've had issues with this particular CF decal not sitting down for me in certain areas, but I think it has everything to do with the material it's applied to. I say this because on the Metal it sat down beautifully around the dash area under the Windscreen - as in the pic below. I love doing Carbon Fibre work and I still have lots more areas to do, and then it will all get hit with tamiya flat clear of course which really makes it look realistic. I also wanted to include the Carbon Fibre Fuel ring around the Fueler Cap - seen in pic. I have the Fuel Cap completed - Real steel from a rachet set. I also built the most complex 5 point Harness I have ever attempted for this model - the pads need to be flat hit but assembly is complete and I installed it on the seat. I also started building the interior on either side of the seat - minimal with only 2 shifter knobs - everything is pretty much black in these new cockpits. The Steering wheel pics will be ready this week - I applied real leather wrap on both sides of the wheel and then hit it with matt black and flat clear so that if you were to actually grab the wheel it would soften under your finger on the leather part - that application took 3 hours lol. All the suspension is ready to be detailed but will be the last thing to go on and I'm so nervous about application on the front due to the fact that I had to disassemble the one piece assembly. I'll just post pics now and if anyone has any questions please don't hesitate to ask or comment on anything - I think that's the best way as I'm not the greatest when it comes to describing what I do - so I apologize for that.
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Post by Joel_W on Aug 31, 2021 9:43:17 GMT -8
Adrian, I'm just blown away with your detailing. Talk about kicking it up a few notches. Your C/F decaling is perfect. How did you get it so even around the refueling hole? As for your 6 way seat harness, I'd say it's as close to the real deal as one can get. As for your front suspension arms, I'm assuming that they also get the C/F treatment.
Just a suggestion for the next time you need some color in lacquer that's not available. Try Scale Finishes as he custom mixes to your needs. The other option which is much cheaper is head to a chain pharmacy or a Walmart and then to the nail polish section. You'll find every known color in the world, and they're all lacquers.
joel
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Post by adrian29341 on Sept 1, 2021 6:57:58 GMT -8
Adrian, I'm just blown away with your detailing. Talk about kicking it up a few notches. Your C/F decaling is perfect. How did you get it so even around the refueling hole? As for your 6 way seat harness, I'd say it's as close to the real deal as one can get. As for your front suspension arms, I'm assuming that they also get the C/F treatment. Just a suggestion for the next time you need some color in lacquer that's not available. Try Scale Finishes as he custom mixes to your needs. The other option which is much cheaper is head to a chain pharmacy or a Walmart and then to the nail polish section. You'll find every known color in the world, and they're all lacquers. joel Thank you so much for your kind words Joel - when engrossed in a build and all that entails it means the world to me to hear from you and your comments on my work. The actual A-Arms and Struts on the car are likely Carbon Fibre - however it is a solid black with almost no definition to indicate that they are indeed Carbon Fibre. Having said that do you think I should give them the Carbon Fibre treatment anyway? It's very difficult on the suspension arms - tricky stuff. The Nail polish idea is one I have never heard! Thank you for the tip - I keep finding out new things here and that's such a super thing Cheers, Adrian
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Post by Joel_W on Sept 2, 2021 5:20:00 GMT -8
Adrian, I'm 99% sure that they're Carbon Fiber. I did several Google searches on the car, the team, and the Indy win, but I couldn't find a close picture of the front suspension. Hopefully, some of the members will have that information and post it along with a picture or two.
joel
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Post by arcticwolf on Sept 2, 2021 8:23:47 GMT -8
They're all Dallara chassis, so they're all the same.
Clearly carbon fiber. Just about everything is these days.
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Post by Joel_W on Sept 2, 2021 15:59:59 GMT -8
Paul, Thanks for posting the picture. I'm sure that Adrian will love it. The suspension arms are certainly CF.
Joel
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Post by adrian29341 on Sept 3, 2021 12:53:33 GMT -8
Paul, Thanks for posting the picture. I'm sure that Adrian will love it. The suspension arms are certainly CF. Joel Thanks guys! I knew that the suspension arms are CF - you are correct in that almost everything on the new cars are now - literally. I was just saying that on these Delara's the front a -arms are very dark - almost black, and not like the older grey CF compound. Actually Greenlight did a pretty nice job on these as they created a CF texture on the suspension arms - nice touch.
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