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Post by vintagerpm on Jul 30, 2022 12:09:24 GMT -8
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Post by Chris K. Hale on Jul 31, 2022 6:02:34 GMT -8
Great Stuff, I see a lot of excellent models and a bunch of modelers who are really leading the way in our hobby. Thanks Sharing Chris Admin.
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Post by Oldtimer on Aug 2, 2022 6:50:45 GMT -8
I have a quick question regarding these contests.
As you know, I work in 1/18 scale diecast, with my customs being scratch-built, rather than from kits.
I inquired with a group out of Arlington, Texas recently that had this criteria in their rules:
" I have a question regarding the rules for your annual contest to be held in September.
I work in 1/18 scale diecast, creating custom models by combining elements of different models to create those that were never produced by a diecast manufacturer.
I have never displayed my work publicly, however I have shared it on diecast-oriented message boards on the internet.
I saw the flyer for your September contest, and noticed the following rule:
"2. The restriction to limit the contest to plastic models is not in effect. Any model from any commercial kit may be used."
As there are few 1/18 scale "commercial kits", and my customs are essentially scratch built, would my models be eligible for your category 505?
Thanks!"
The response back was:
"As far as I know the rules are limited to plastic only."
Is that common?
Thanks!
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Post by Chris K. Hale on Aug 2, 2022 9:16:26 GMT -8
having BEEN THROUGH THIS SUBJECT AS A SHOW PROMOTER, of over 50 shows, I would say absolutely Your work would be OK for the Large Scale Category, a small note stating exactly what you wrote above should be sufficient for any judge. And if they still had a problem, maybe they shouldnt be Judging, if you know what I mean. I have had people try to enter expensive hi-detail Diecast' that they had nothing to do with other than forking out the $$ and NO I wouldnt let them enter but based on my knowledge and seeing your work, HELL YES!!!!!! Chris
ps. should you have this problem in Texas again have them contact Me I will set them straight!
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Post by vintagerpm on Aug 3, 2022 4:29:03 GMT -8
I have a quick question regarding these contests. As you know, I work in 1/18 scale diecast, with my customs being scratch-built, rather than from kits. I inquired with a group out of Arlington, Texas recently that had this criteria in their rules: " I have a question regarding the rules for your annual contest to be held in September. I work in 1/18 scale diecast, creating custom models by combining elements of different models to create those that were never produced by a diecast manufacturer. I have never displayed my work publicly, however I have shared it on diecast-oriented message boards on the internet. I saw the flyer for your September contest, and noticed the following rule: "2. The restriction to limit the contest to plastic models is not in effect. Any model from any commercial kit may be used." As there are few 1/18 scale "commercial kits", and my customs are essentially scratch built, would my models be eligible for your category 505? Thanks!" The response back was: "As far as I know the rules are limited to plastic only." Is that common? Thanks! The answer to your question depends on the show. The waiving of "plastic only" is because original IPMS rules stated "plastic only" (reffering to styrene kits). But with the proliferation of urethane resin and white metal kits, along with aftermarket parts in many different materials, the "plastic only" was deemed unwanted. However, no prebuilt models (usually called diecast) are eligible. Some shows, rightly or wrongly, extend that to mean you cannot start with a prebuilt model, dissassemble it, and rebuilt it. I do not know wich club you talked to, or who at that club, but whom ever it was, doesn't understand their own rules. (But as I said, it still might not mean your models are eligible.) |
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Post by Oldtimer on Aug 3, 2022 6:55:57 GMT -8
I have a quick question regarding these contests. As you know, I work in 1/18 scale diecast, with my customs being scratch-built, rather than from kits. I inquired with a group out of Arlington, Texas recently that had this criteria in their rules: " I have a question regarding the rules for your annual contest to be held in September. I work in 1/18 scale diecast, creating custom models by combining elements of different models to create those that were never produced by a diecast manufacturer. I have never displayed my work publicly, however I have shared it on diecast-oriented message boards on the internet. I saw the flyer for your September contest, and noticed the following rule: "2. The restriction to limit the contest to plastic models is not in effect. Any model from any commercial kit may be used." As there are few 1/18 scale "commercial kits", and my customs are essentially scratch built, would my models be eligible for your category 505? Thanks!" The response back was: "As far as I know the rules are limited to plastic only." Is that common? Thanks! The answer to your question depends on the show. The waiving of "plastic only" is because original IPMS rules stated "plastic only" (reffering to styrene kits). But with the proliferation of urethane resin and white metal kits, along with aftermarket parts in many different materials, the "plastic only" was deemed unwanted. However, no prebuilt models (usually called diecast) are eligible. Some shows, rightly or wrongly, extend that to mean you cannot start with a prebuilt model, dissassemble it, and rebuilt it. I do not know wich club you talked to, or who at that club, but whom ever it was, doesn't understand their own rules. (But as I said, it still might not mean your models are eligible.) Thanks for the clarification. I guess my question is with regard to a kit bashed (I think that is the term) custom that is not a simple disassemble and rebuild. For example, the model that is shown in this Flickr album uses two different chassis (in order to convert the original chassis from torsion bars to coils in the front among other things), and a donated engine from another source. flic.kr/s/aHsmWQzuUiI'm kind of proud of it, from a problem resolution perspective, but I feel like an atheist's funeral. All dressed up and no place to go. |
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Post by vintagerpm on Aug 4, 2022 4:36:33 GMT -8
Thanks for the clarification. I guess my question is with regard to a kit bashed (I think that is the term) custom that is not a simple disassemble and rebuild. For example, the model that is shown in this Flickr album uses two different chassis (in order to convert the original chassis from torsion bars to coils in the front among other things), and a donated engine from another source. flic.kr/s/aHsmWQzuUiI'm kind of proud of it, from a problem resolution perspective, but I feel like an atheist's funeral. All dressed up and no place to go. Including those photos along with a written explanation of your work will help the judges (and anyone else) understand what you did and that you really did "build it". |
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Post by pnance26 on Aug 12, 2022 10:20:33 GMT -8
So would these rules preclude any MFH kit because there is zero styrene in my kit... all white metal and resin. Pish posh, I guess, on the fact that you have to literally BUILD the spoked wheels.
Guess they just don't like us folks moving away to higher end kits...
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Post by Chris K. Hale on Aug 12, 2022 11:54:35 GMT -8
I was the Head Judge at a Herb Deeks show and the Large scale came down to a Tamiya Super 7 Box stock in 1/12 scale and Bantam Altered made from diecast parts , all hand modified or scratchbuilt in 1/18th scale. The winner was the Bantam but the Super 7 guy stood at the stage during that award and Screamed and actually threw the 2nd place trophy at me, saying in was a Diecast... Well yes and no because no prebuilt diecast was ever made of it, it actually took a lot of engineering and creativity to build. The hand made spoke front wheels were outstanding and there was a ton of detail. Some felt ( back then ) the Tamiya 1/12 build was just like buying a prebuilt diecast because it didnt require any of the work that was put in the Altered... I think that was the last show I judged . Another entrant in Completion had 10 or 11 NASCAR Diecasts he had Race Weathered ... he hit the roof when he didnt win, but when asked if he actually built them he had to answer No.... that the way some shows go, people are never Happy. That is why I started the So Cal NNL and did away with all the Judging..just a couple of Peoples choice awards...never had a complaint again. No judges no complaints...
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Post by pnance26 on Aug 12, 2022 13:29:06 GMT -8
I was the Head Judge at a Herb Deeks show and the Large scale came down to a Tamiya Super 7 Box stock in 1/12 scale and Bantam Altered made from diecast parts , all hand modified or scratchbuilt in 1/18th scale. The winner was the Bantam but the Super 7 guy stood at the stage during that award and Screamed and actually threw the 2nd place trophy at me, saying in was a Diecast... Well yes and no because no prebuilt diecast was ever made of it, it actually took a lot of engineering and creativity to build. The hand made spoke front wheels were outstanding and there was a ton of detail. Some felt ( back then ) the Tamiya 1/12 build was just like buying a prebuilt diecast because it didnt require any of the work that was put in the Altered... I think that was the last show I judged . Another entrant in Completion had 10 or 11 NASCAR Diecasts he had Race Weathered ... he hit the roof when he didnt win, but when asked if he actually built them he had to answer No.... that the way some shows go, people are never Happy. That is why I started the So Cal NNL and did away with all the Judging..just a couple of Peoples choice awards...never had a complaint again. No judges no complaints... That's great to know Chris! Now, is that show still going on? If so, when and where? |
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Post by vintagerpm on Aug 13, 2022 4:58:45 GMT -8
So would these rules preclude any MFH kit because there is zero styrene in my kit... all white metal and resin. Pish posh, I guess, on the fact that you have to literally BUILD the spoked wheels. Guess they just don't like us folks moving away to higher end kits... I know of no show that would not allow a MFH kit. It is, afterall, a kit. Mike |
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Post by Chris K. Hale on Aug 13, 2022 6:11:58 GMT -8
I was the Head Judge at a Herb Deeks show and the Large scale came down to a Tamiya Super 7 Box stock in 1/12 scale and Bantam Altered made from diecast parts , all hand modified or scratchbuilt in 1/18th scale. The winner was the Bantam but the Super 7 guy stood at the stage during that award and Screamed and actually threw the 2nd place trophy at me, saying in was a Diecast... Well yes and no because no prebuilt diecast was ever made of it, it actually took a lot of engineering and creativity to build. The hand made spoke front wheels were outstanding and there was a ton of detail. Some felt ( back then ) the Tamiya 1/12 build was just like buying a prebuilt diecast because it didnt require any of the work that was put in the Altered... I think that was the last show I judged . Another entrant in Completion had 10 or 11 NASCAR Diecasts he had Race Weathered ... he hit the roof when he didnt win, but when asked if he actually built them he had to answer No.... that the way some shows go, people are never Happy. That is why I started the So Cal NNL and did away with all the Judging..just a couple of Peoples choice awards...never had a complaint again. No judges no complaints... That's great to know Chris! Now, is that show still going on? If so, when and where? Paul, My wife Yolanda and I put the So Cal NNL on until just before the Pandemic, with health problems making travel so hard on us I looked for a suitable person to take over. Art Laski was a priority name, I had hooked him up with the LA Roadsters show and a few others and he and his wife Lisa did a Great Job so I turned it over to him, Art has pushed the show further than I could have, it still is one of the Premier Model car shows of the year , held the first Sunday in May at the Rancho San Antonio Boys Home in Chatsworth Ca. just north of Los Angeles. All Proceeds go directly to the Boys Home helping them out a lot. It is also held in conjunction with the So Cal 5-6-7- Club annual show so there is the Model show ( about 1200 models) and 200 of the very best real Chevrolets on display outside. I think we have had entrant's from all 50 states to date and several from other countries. Admission is free with a charge for unlimited model entry. I was seeing about 5,000 or more spectators annually. The Swap meet / Vendors are staged inside around the show and usually tables sell out fast. Art has worked with me and adjusted the name to So Cal Open Model Car show. Because the Boys Home is a large campus with many amenities and things for Family members to do during the show it has become quite popular with the So Cal Guys. I still work with Art on the show and I am pretty confident the show will go on for many years to come. I have put on over 50 shows or contests and used all my experience to make the NNL a National Model show that caters to all automotive modelers... That's my story and I'm sticking to it!!! LoL Thanks for asking about the NNL Chris |
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Post by 2whl on Aug 13, 2022 7:12:49 GMT -8
So would these rules preclude any MFH kit because there is zero styrene in my kit... all white metal and resin. Pish posh, I guess, on the fact that you have to literally BUILD the spoked wheels. Guess they just don't like us folks moving away to higher end kits... I know of no show that would not allow a MFH kit. It is, afterall, a kit. Mike I have entered and placed very well with the one MFH kit I have managed to finish (so far). Nobody has ever said anything about it being outside the rules since it isn't plastic. After all, it is about the build. And, as anyone who has attempted a multi-media kit knows, they are more challenging than doing a Tamiya, Hasegawa, etc. |
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Post by vintagerpm on Aug 23, 2022 9:13:20 GMT -8
I have a quick question regarding these contests. As you know, I work in 1/18 scale diecast, with my customs being scratch-built, rather than from kits. I inquired with a group out of Arlington, Texas recently that had this criteria in their rules: " I have a question regarding the rules for your annual contest to be held in September. I work in 1/18 scale diecast, creating custom models by combining elements of different models to create those that were never produced by a diecast manufacturer. I have never displayed my work publicly, however I have shared it on diecast-oriented message boards on the internet. I saw the flyer for your September contest, and noticed the following rule: "2. The restriction to limit the contest to plastic models is not in effect. Any model from any commercial kit may be used." As there are few 1/18 scale "commercial kits", and my customs are essentially scratch built, would my models be eligible for your category 505? Thanks!" The response back was: "As far as I know the rules are limited to plastic only." Is that common? Thanks! Getting back to your question of, is a converted diecast eligible. (Sorry so late with this.) I just took a look at the rules for this show and see they state "Any model from any commercial kit may be used." My reading of this means that your converted diecast would not be eligible because it has not been built from a kit. That is my interpretation and may not be correct. The Head Judge of the shoow would be the one to ask. |
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Post by Chris K. Hale on Aug 23, 2022 15:33:26 GMT -8
OK, GMP, Revell and others make 1/18 diecasts in kit form, same as their assembled diecasts. I think if you take them apart and do the work isnt it really a Kit? Just saying....... Thanks for bringing this subject up. I know from experience that IPMS rules are kind of strict and different from a Contest or a show maybe put on by a club or individual..
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