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Post by tatocorvette on Mar 24, 2019 9:53:52 GMT -8
Hello,
Watching the Indy race from COTA. That was a great start. These guys are racing hard. I'm liking it.
Thanks,
Ismael
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Post by tatocorvette on Mar 24, 2019 10:02:12 GMT -8
No race line/runoff limits! You can actually use the whole track! Nice...
And real pit stops with fuel and tires.
These cars may be slower than F1 but in my opinion this is far more intense and entertaining....
Thanks,
Ismael
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Post by tatocorvette on Mar 24, 2019 11:47:14 GMT -8
WOW! What a pleasantly surprise of a race! Loved it! I think this has been one of the best Indy road course races I've ever seen!
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Post by Joel_W on Mar 24, 2019 14:07:04 GMT -8
Ismael,
What a fantastic race. The no limits might have been a little to much as the track is pretty wide, but the racing was really racing with plenty of passing.
Congrats to Colton Herta on his 1st win at just 18 yrs old. He sure seems like the real deal as he has been blazing fast for both races.
Powers really let it all go from the heart after both he and Rossi got once again screwed by the rules when a Yellow came out, as they still hadn't pitted. Like he said, keep the pits open that would make the racing a lot fairer, and not a crap shoot like in Nascar.
Paul Tracy said it best that you can see the changing of the guard to the next generation of drivers. And they're already talking about Rossi moving to Penske as Pagenaud really needs to go. Then Andretti can pick up Herta. Hard to believe that it's been just two races, and the silly season has already started.
Joel
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Post by robhart on Mar 24, 2019 16:59:22 GMT -8
Why would Rossi want to go to Penske? He finished higher in the points last year than any of the Penske drivers. If Andretti needs to make room for Herta, they should look at putting Marco out to pasture.
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Post by Chris K. Hale on Mar 24, 2019 18:28:23 GMT -8
A little bird told me Marco is ready to become co-owner with Michael and not drive...sooner than later. Chris
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Post by tatocorvette on Mar 24, 2019 19:13:03 GMT -8
Hello,
One of my favorite parts of the race was in lap 15, the super clean yet aggressive battle between O'Ward and Rahal. It is on this highlights video at 2:13 - 2:50 Really good stuff.
Thanks,
Ismael
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Post by Joel_W on Mar 25, 2019 5:03:31 GMT -8
Why would Rossi want to go to Penske? He finished higher in the points last year than any of the Penske drivers. If Andretti needs to make room for Herta, they should look at putting Marco out to pasture. Overall, Penske is the cream of the crop of all the teams with vast resources that Andretti just doesn't have. It' also gives Rossi exposure to way more series to show case his talents. It's rare if ever, that a driver approached by Team Penske ever turned down the opportunity to sign with them. Judging Andretti vs Penske last year makes very little sense when one considers that Team Penske is the all time winningest team in Indy Cars plus with the most championships, and is #1 at the Brickyard. Honestly, I see it as the right move. Agreed that the biggest issue at Team Andretti is Marco. He's just not a winner at this level. The sooner his family gives him the opportunity to be a minority owner and gets out of the car, the better it will be for the team. Honestly, if it wasn't for the fact that he's family, he'd never have had the drive, or if he did get it, last more then one season. I'm a life long Penske fan. But this year I've taken notice of the Harding Steinbrenner Racing Team that Colton Herta drives for. Harding has put together an exceptional team by adding Brian Barnhart as its team president, and Al Unser Jr.( one of my all time favorite drivers) as executive consultant. And the move to bring in George Steinbrenner IV as a minority partner at the tender age of 22, just means that the financial issues just vanished with nearly unlimited avenues of sponsorship now available to them. I wouldn't mind seeing the NYY moniker on the side of their car either. Like I said in the F1 thread, F1 should only be this competitive and exciting. Joel |
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Post by robhart on Mar 25, 2019 7:29:49 GMT -8
I don't think having Penske corral every competitive driver is all that great for the sport and, BTW. RHR turned down an offer to go to Penske. Unlike F1, I don't think there is much to choose between the top tier Indycar teams from a driver's perspective. In fact, the number of different Indycar teams that have scored wins in past seasons would appear to me to indicate that the sanctioning body has achieved a level of parity that F1 could only reach in a fantasy. However, money changes everything and I'm sure Rossi could be induced to change teams if the compensation is lucrative enough.
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Post by afx on Mar 25, 2019 8:33:11 GMT -8
Here's How IndyCar's Lap Times at COTA Compare to Formula One's
Elizabeth Werth  Photo: Mark Thompson (Getty) The results are in. At long last, race fans will finally have a way to directly compare the speeds of Formula One cars against IndyCars. As IndyCar’s first testing sessions come to a close at Circuit of the Americas, it seems like as good a time as any to see how these two open wheel series compare. One of the big arguments as to why IndyCar wouldn’t race at COTA was, for a while, that it would show how much slower IndyCars were than F1 cars, thus making IndyCar look like a foolish, small potatoes series next to the grandiose international series that is Formula One. I, personally, have always found that argument silly—both series are designed for different purposes and race on different tracks. Each series uses its own technology—hell, IndyCar doesn’t even have power steering like F1 does. There’s no reason why they should even need to have comparable speeds, but alas. I cannot speak for the Internet. Instead, I’ll let these numbers speak for themselves. Let’s start with F1. Lewis Hamilton is currently the record-holder at COTA. During the 2018 qualifying session for the US Grand Prix, he set a fastest lap of 1:32.237. That’s nothing to shake a stick at. Now, onto IndyCar. The fastest lap set during their spring training session was clocked by rookie Colton Herta at 1:46.6258, according to Motorsport.com. For those who are not keen on doing math on a Wednesday morning, that’s about a fourteen second difference. It’ll take some time before we get a really accurate comparison between lap times—this is, after all, just a training session to familiarize IndyCar drivers with the track. We’ll likely see a more accurate representation of exactly how fast those cars can go during IndyCar’s own qualifying session at the race in March. I’ll go ahead and repeat this one for the people in the back: this comparison isn’t to pit one series against the other. They’re two different categories of racing, and it would be disingenuous to do so. It’s just a way to check out the differences because it’s been such a huge talking point. But put Lewis Hamilton in an IndyCar and send him around COTA... then we’ll talk.
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Post by robhart on Mar 25, 2019 12:25:35 GMT -8
Given that F1 cars cost 5 times as much as Indycars and both cars are designed to completely different rules and specifications, that comparison is absolutely meaningless. However, I would like to see how fast Lewis Hamilton, or better yet, Fernando Alonso could lap COTA in an Indycar.
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Post by Joel_W on Mar 25, 2019 12:51:19 GMT -8
I don't think having Penske corral every competitive driver is all that great for the sport and, BTW. RHR turned down an offer to go to Penske. Unlike F1, I don't think there is much to choose between the top tier Indycar teams from a driver's perspective. In fact, the number of different Indycar teams that have scored wins in past seasons would appear to me to indicate that the sanctioning body has achieved a level of parity that F1 could only reach in a fantasy. However, money changes everything and I'm sure Rossi could be induced to change teams if the compensation is lucrative enough. Robhart, Fair enough. As I said from the drivers point of view, Penske offers the greatest latitude in driving options. I'm still betting that Rossi does make the move as money is usually a major deciding factor. I completely agree with your point that Indy Cars have reached a level of parity that makes it a very competitive series, and even a lesser team can win on any given race day. For F1 to even come close would mean some form of spec series, and that will never happen as the powers to be keep on thinking that they have a better idea, which never is the case. Joel |
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