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Post by Joel_W on Jul 31, 2020 7:32:15 GMT -8
Chris,
so far I'd say you're making excellent progress. Looking forward to seeing how you deal with all of those issues.
Joel
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Post by pnance26 on Jul 31, 2020 7:42:08 GMT -8
Great following the build! Thanks for sharing and I will look forward to seeing this beauty progress.
So many interesting builds on this site!
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Post by Chris K. Hale on Aug 1, 2020 10:59:16 GMT -8
  OK Slight mock up of engine, chassis and body mostly just showing I have been making progress on other assemblies on this car. I have to do a wash on the orange-ish engine shrouds to bring the color a bit closer of course wiring and fuel lines and start the cockpit.. I am looking at covering the seat with leather and adding a lot of detail there. I am still on the fence on the front wheel well shape, if I square the back edge off like many of the versions I will have to do some surgery to the chassis too, but I think it will be worth it. Also I am going to start on the other body mods,  I am not adding headlamps but I am going for a very similar look.. time will tell... Chris |
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Post by arcticwolf on Aug 1, 2020 14:49:05 GMT -8
Looking good Chris. Is that Heller kit as much of a nightmare as some of their F1 kits were?
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Post by Chris K. Hale on Aug 1, 2020 16:10:54 GMT -8
More So of a Nightmare! Phillipe De lespinay , a friend since I was 8 years old, did all of the F-1 Kits and I believe the Alpine for Heller, he still has the original drawings, and his construction had locating pins or tabs, the 917K has none , so where the multi-tube front chassis and suspension go together there is not much info from the instructions, in French, which are a crossing of lines to lead you to the approximate location of each piece. It took days looking at each piece, checking the assembly, looking at photos of the real cars from several books and online pics to get everything where it goes. I almost gave up a few times but now moving to the rear there are less little pieces and a few locating tabs. Using the HRM Engine actually will make that assembly easier to build. Adding detail like brake , gas and oil lines is kind of tough but since I am doing a factory prototype I have more artistic freedom ...
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Post by arcticwolf on Aug 1, 2020 17:34:55 GMT -8
More So of a Nightmare! Phillipe De lespinay , a friend since I was 8 years old, did all of the F-1 Kits and I believe the Alpine for Heller, he still has the original drawings, and his construction had locating pins or tabs, the 917K has none , so where the multi-tube front chassis and suspension go together there is not much info from the instructions, in French, which are a crossing of lines to lead you to the approximate location of each piece. It took days looking at each piece, checking the assembly, looking at photos of the real cars from several books and online pics to get everything where it goes. I almost gave up a few times but now moving to the rear there are less little pieces and a few locating tabs. Using the HRM Engine actually will make that assembly easier to build. Adding detail like brake , gas and oil lines is kind of tough but since I am doing a factory prototype I have more artistic freedom ... I was afraid of that. I have their Ligier 1/12th kit yet to build. I took a good look at it and put it back in the box. One day I'll get to it, I'm in no hurry there! I plan on using their M7 kit to convert to a M10 F5000 car, but other than that, I try to avoid them. I have seen some very nice finished products of Heller stuff, but I think it took skill and patience to do it. Good luck with the Porsche, so far you are winning! 
ps: I can translate the French if you need any help, not that it would be much help.
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Post by Joel_W on Aug 2, 2020 13:16:42 GMT -8
Chris,
The more I read of the nightmare build that's ahead of you, the more I'm impressed at your skill level. So far the lower front end suspension, as well as the same for the rear plus the start of the engine sure looks like you've got it well under control.
Joel
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Post by flashman on Aug 2, 2020 17:35:41 GMT -8
Rob, I was able to ask Scott, the seller, Who poured these? and he did answer me, they were done by Loon Resins out of Minnesota USA. Never heard of them but it looks to be probably someone who does aircraft ( some top notch workmanship ), PROS, smooth, no warpage, minimal bubbles under the surface , relatively little flash. CONS, a little thick in a few areas, ( at the firewall ) right where one would cut the rear deck off to allow a opening deck there are large square sections of resin, right where the Oil tanks would be too, other than spending hours of grinding I have not worked out a solution. Overall rating 8 out of 10 and very buildable. Chris If I could chime in here, I am also a member of the same car model club here in the Twin Cities that includes Scott, Bob (the caster), and Allen (until he passed away last year). Bob is a very experienced caster, and I know that he was a caster as far back as the mid-1980's for at least Missing Link Models (they sold aircraft model conversions kits and conversion parts)! Several years ago Allen had also mastered and sold a full kit of Siffert's 1969 917PA Can-Am car in the early season form (rounded nose) which is included in Rob de Bie's list of 917 kits, and he was basing this 1971 tail-finned Interserie version on that earlier kit. Unfortunately Allen died before he finished this finned version. Scott purchased the unfinished parts from Allen's wife, and as a tribute to Allen, and knowing there was interest by modelers in this Interserie version, he had copies of the body cast to sell to experienced modelers to use. I had bought the the 1969 917PA kit from Allen, and also got one of the 1971 body copies from Scott. I'm glad I have both in my "hopefully build someday" stash. By the way, I've wanted to say a big THANK YOU to Rob for his Porsche 917 kit list, and also for his Racing Turbo 911/934/935 kit list that is also on his site. They are both wonderful, and I especially appreciate all his effort to include build WIP links for many of those kits. Bravo!!  Cameron |
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Post by Art on Aug 2, 2020 22:01:03 GMT -8
Cool build, Chris!
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Post by Chris K. Hale on Aug 3, 2020 9:14:30 GMT -8
Thanks Guys, I always appreciate the comments, you can follow the build on Fotki, link public.fotki.com/pmodwrks/1-917-roadster-project/ there are a lot of pics that I dont post always trying to keep it down to 2 or 3 on the Board. When I started building models again one of the first things I bought was a book " Porsche, Excellence was Expected" then only $78. for the single book edition , now its expanded to 4 volumes and runs something like $396. to $600., and I thought it was expensive back in 1978 when I got mine. With each race car covered from design to racing versions its great, I found the section on the 917's so complete that it is confusing as the car went from prototype to assorted race cars, there are designations that I had never heard of or seen, the factory drawings of the engines , chassis and great photos have come in so helpful I would say this book has paid for itself. I am using so much research on this model it holds me up sometimes. I had worked a bit with Allen on his wonderful Siffert 917PA model, we shared info on body shape and mods, he helped me by resizing the decals to fit the Entex 1/20 version, the Entex chassis and engine were made for a motorized version so I picked up a Union 1/20 917K kit to use under that body. That build should be interesting too. Coming soon I hope. This Heller kit is really testing my abilities since my Brain Bleed/ Stroke in Dec. So far no major problems, although I feel like I am building in slow motion, that I attribute to the use of research materials to correctly make each part and detail properly. Thanks Again for the comments, Please keep them coming , and dont worry if you see something questionable let me know I wouldnt be offended.. Chris  |
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Post by Joel_W on Aug 4, 2020 8:00:41 GMT -8
Chris,
I'm thrilled to hear that you're making a 100% recovery from your Stroke.
As for your current progress on the Porsche 917 Spyder. I'm just blown away by all your details. The level of realism is is just amazing. Going to start to checkout your full photo build on your Fotki album.
Joel
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Post by pnance26 on Aug 4, 2020 10:20:28 GMT -8
Looking good Chris. Is that Heller kit as much of a nightmare as some of their F1 kits were? Heller did two that I know of... Ligier JS11 and a Renault RE20. Were there more? |
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Post by pnance26 on Aug 4, 2020 10:23:02 GMT -8
More So of a Nightmare! Phillipe De lespinay , a friend since I was 8 years old, did all of the F-1 Kits and I believe the Alpine for Heller, he still has the original drawings, and his construction had locating pins or tabs, the 917K has none , so where the multi-tube front chassis and suspension go together there is not much info from the instructions, in French, which are a crossing of lines to lead you to the approximate location of each piece. It took days looking at each piece, checking the assembly, looking at photos of the real cars from several books and online pics to get everything where it goes. I almost gave up a few times but now moving to the rear there are less little pieces and a few locating tabs. Using the HRM Engine actually will make that assembly easier to build. Adding detail like brake , gas and oil lines is kind of tough but since I am doing a factory prototype I have more artistic freedom ... I was afraid of that. I have their Ligier 1/12th kit yet to build. I took a good look at it and put it back in the box. One day I'll get to it, I'm in no hurry there! I plan on using their M7 kit to convert to a M10 F5000 car, but other than that, I try to avoid them. I have seen some very nice finished products of Heller stuff, but I think it took skill and patience to do it. Good luck with the Porsche, so far you are winning!
ps: I can translate the French if you need any help, not that it would be much help.
I also have the Heller Ligier kit, Paul! Once I get through the Ferrari era, I might take it on and then the Matra. Only thing is, I hate the plastic tires in the kit. I have tried to find rubber tires from another vendor but not having much luck! |
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Post by pnance26 on Aug 4, 2020 10:24:11 GMT -8
Chris,
I thought I rocked a kit after cutting off a finger some years ago, but having a brain bleed overshadows that! Great PT for your brain and your dexterity!
I am liking the build more and more!
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Post by arcticwolf on Aug 4, 2020 13:36:57 GMT -8
Looking good Chris. Is that Heller kit as much of a nightmare as some of their F1 kits were? Heller did two that I know of... Ligier JS11 and a Renault RE20. Were there more? In 1/24th scale, the Lotus 49B, the McLaren M7 and a Brabham F1 BT? that I know of. I have all three  . Chris would know more.
The McLaren is going to become an M10 F5000 Eppie Weitzes car, the Lotus and Brabham are for parts (or if anybody wants them).
As for the RE20, buy the Tamiya version. I have it - as yet unstarted - looks very nice.
I don't mind the plastic tires, a little sanding and some rubber paint........but you could make some resin copies of any rubber tires from that era if you prefer (Lotus, Ferrari etc, they're all the same tire).
I have seen an M7 finished build of an MFH kit. Flippin amazing! I'm buying one as soon as I win the lottery.
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