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Post by Chris K. Hale on Nov 20, 2013 20:17:05 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2013 4:30:37 GMT -8
yeah that is really good stuff!
thanks for sharing.
duane
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Post by 4wheels on Nov 21, 2013 6:22:50 GMT -8
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Can-Am series didn't exist in 1965, did it? And shouldn't the picture be more correctly captioned "Bruce McLaren LAPPING the McKee"? Another "fable" concocted in the hopes of high auction results, IMO.
Brian
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Post by Chris K. Hale on Nov 21, 2013 8:29:55 GMT -8
You are correct it should be a USRRC car , later called Can Am, I really didnt read about it going to auction, but it all it is a very interesting vehicle with some great building possibilities... Chris  |
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Post by Patrick on Nov 21, 2013 9:46:41 GMT -8
Oh, ya, Bob Montana and the McKee! Testors made a slot body and decals for this beastie. '65, would that still have been the Fall Pro Series? I remember Montana racing in SCCA National races.
Patriick
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Post by Calvin on Nov 21, 2013 16:58:58 GMT -8
Wow never knew that! Good story.
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Post by sandysixtysfan on Nov 23, 2013 6:52:46 GMT -8
Very cool history, thanks for posting.
Sandy
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Post by dustymojave on Nov 29, 2013 12:34:39 GMT -8
I watched this car DNF several times back in the 60s at Riverside and then-new PIR. Watched a lot of Hemi internals scattering down the asphalt. I felt the Hemi was built more for drag use than road racing. I never saw it take a checkered flag. Even when it was running, it wasn't quick. Also-rans and small bore cars often ran quicker lap times. Foyt and Parnelli did better in the Husseins with similar chassis and engines by stock car builder Cotton Owens. Petty Enterprises probably would have done a better job with the engines than (IIRC) Keith Black. Aluminum Hemi blocks didn't become available until the 70s. A lot of the posted comments in Hemmings refer to the CanAm series. That started in the latter 1/2 of 1966. USRRC was the SCCA Pro series for those cars in '65. The cars weren't worth $50 million dollars then. Maybe $20,000 each and less. But then, that would have bought a new 3+2 home in the San Fernando Valley then. I don't recall the separate tube headers on the car now. I only saw the headers with collectors as shown in the Mosport photo. As much respect as I have for Mr Petty as a driver, Richard would have destroyed this car in a hurry. His line at Riverside was called "the Petty Line" as he would turn right at Turn 2 and go straight towards Turn 6, regardless of the squiggles of the pavement in between. He was also fond of leaning on other cars, a technique which road racers with fiberglass and aluminum bodies frowned on. I flagged corners at Riverside for NASCAR races "in the day" and observed his techniques rather close up. Richard was quite good on short dirt oval tracks where both techniques were normal and effective. Regardless, Richard won Riverside in his Ford Talladega in 1969.
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Post by Patrick on Nov 29, 2013 18:27:31 GMT -8
Great info Dusty! Nice to have your recollections at this forum.
Patrick
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Post by dustymojave on Nov 29, 2013 19:07:48 GMT -8
In spite of having never seen the car finish a race, I was always kinda fond of the car. I saw it had potential and was disappointed to never see it come through. The 426 Hemi in cast iron is QUITE heavy. Using a later aluminum block from Keith Black or Donovan would have helped that a lot just as aluminum big block Chevies did for McLaren as well as having the engine built by someone more accustomed to engines needing to last through long races. Fuel Injection may have been another help. Hearing it go around Turns 6 and 9 sputtering I still think due to fuel starvation can't have been good for the engine. Some development of the chassis would have been good to. As it was, the chassis design is VERY similar to a 1962 Cooper Monaco designed for a Climax 2.5 liter 4 cylinder engine and was outdated by the time the McKee touched race track. Neither chassis shows good flow of forces through from front to back and are both rather flexible, especially for such a huge heavy powerful engine. But the car is COOL! And I look forward to seeing a static model of it. I hope someone here has access to a body shell. The Autodynamics Group 7 car from MPC would be an excellent chassis donor. The wheels are even right! It was after all a McKee chassis and the American Torque Thrust mags with gussets at the tips of the spokes were custom made for McKee. There might be a slight scale issue. May be easier to deal with the body than the chassis. Hemi engines are all over the place in 1/25, but may be a little tougher to find in 1/24.
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Post by gwadagone on Dec 27, 2013 10:34:29 GMT -8
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Post by dustymojave on Dec 28, 2013 16:35:43 GMT -8
Although the page won't let me enlarge the photo from the small avatar size, it looks like the correct one. There is a lot of very cool stuff for slot car folks in that page.
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Post by gwadagone on Dec 29, 2013 7:33:00 GMT -8
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