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Post by 4wheels on May 3, 2016 9:34:33 GMT -8
Thanks for straightening me out, I haven't ever researched that car, seen pics of built models and slot cars and just assumed they were correct! I'll switch to the George Loos GELO Interserie car for my 4th version (someday).
Brian
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Post by vintagerpm on May 3, 2016 14:59:37 GMT -8
I did some checking through my plethora of Can-Am and 917 books. It seems there was a Martini 917-10 but it ran with a 917-30 nose. Same for the Jagermeister Interserie 917. They are sometimes erroneously listed at 917-30 or even 917-20. They are short wheelbase (like 917-10) and have a 917-10 rear bodywork. Mike Hi There Mike Did some checking in my copy of Porsche 917 1968-1975 by Walter Naher. The Car raced by Martini in 1974 was the same Car Raced in '73 by Jagermeister and Villant in '75. They were all Chassis 917/30-001. It was the same Chassis used to develope the CanAm Winning /30. The Donohue/Penske/Sunoco Chassis were -002 & 3. Ed, on further review, its seems we may both be right. (My original search was quick, going by whatever books actually had photos of the Interserie cars.) Glen Smale refers to to it as both 917/10, 917/20, and 917/30. I think that is because various race reports did so. Michael Cotton says 917/10. But I think the answer is in Ian Bamsey's "Porsche 917 - The Ultimate Weapon". He says that Porsche cut up 917/10-001 to make it variable wheelbase test bed using the 5.4L engine and new bodywork from SERA in France. He later says it is the car loaned to Martini. However, the wheelbase was set to 917/10 configuration and the rear bodywork was not the improved, longer version as used on Donohue's 917/30. Mike
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Post by Art on May 3, 2016 16:02:10 GMT -8
Very nice job, Mike!
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Post by crazyed on May 3, 2016 17:11:12 GMT -8
Hi There Mike Did some checking in my copy of Porsche 917 1968-1975 by Walter Naher. The Car raced by Martini in 1974 was the same Car Raced in '73 by Jagermeister and Villant in '75. They were all Chassis 917/30-001. It was the same Chassis used to develope the CanAm Winning /30. The Donohue/Penske/Sunoco Chassis were -002 & 3. Ed, on further review, its seems we may both be right. (My original search was quick, going by whatever books actually had photos of the Interserie cars.) Glen Smale refers to to it as both 917/10, 917/20, and 917/30. I think that is because various race reports did so. Michael Cotton says 917/10. But I think the answer is in Ian Bamsey's "Porsche 917 - The Ultimate Weapon". He says that Porsche cut up 917/10-001 to make it variable wheelbase test bed using the 5.4L engine and new bodywork from SERA in France. He later says it is the car loaned to Martini. However, the wheelbase was set to 917/10 configuration and the rear bodywork was not the improved, longer version as used on Donohue's 917/30. Mike There's a couple of problems with that On Dec. 10 '72 Chassis 917/10-001 was at Interlagos under Bosch livery driven by Kauhsen while 917/30-001 was in France at the Paul Ricard track being tested by Mark Donohue and the following year 917/10-001 And 917/30-001 were Both at the Hockenheim Track with the /10-001 car scoring a DNF and the /30-001 finishing 5th. The 917/10-001 is now the property of Jan Luhn and is finished as a Gulf Car sans the Turbos and the 917/30-001 is in the Porsche Museum. This has been Fun and caused me to do a bit of Digging.
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Post by vintagerpm on May 3, 2016 17:31:33 GMT -8
Ed, on further review, its seems we may both be right. (My original search was quick, going by whatever books actually had photos of the Interserie cars.) Glen Smale refers to to it as both 917/10, 917/20, and 917/30. I think that is because various race reports did so. Michael Cotton says 917/10. But I think the answer is in Ian Bamsey's "Porsche 917 - The Ultimate Weapon". He says that Porsche cut up 917/10-001 to make it variable wheelbase test bed using the 5.4L engine and new bodywork from SERA in France. He later says it is the car loaned to Martini. However, the wheelbase was set to 917/10 configuration and the rear bodywork was not the improved, longer version as used on Donohue's 917/30. Mike There's a couple of problems with that On Dec. 10 '72 Chassis 917/10-001 was at Interlagos under Bosch livery driven by Kauhsen while 917/30-001 was in France at the Paul Ricard track being tested by Mark Donohue and the following year 917/10-001 And 917/30-001 were Both at the Hockenheim Track with the /10-001 car scoring a DNF and the /30-001 finishing 5th. The 917/10-001 is now the property of Jan Luhn and is finished as a Gulf Car sans the Turbos and the 917/30-001 is in the Porsche Museum. This has been Fun and caused me to do a bit of Digging. Yes, it has been fun. Finally found what you said about 917/10-001 & 917/30-001 in the Haynes 917 manual. I'll go with that as it is the latest book. (Or at least the latest I have. I think I've got just about all of them except for Naher's book & the book on the '70 Le Mans winner.) Plus, I think its the only chassis by chassis listing I have - just forgot it was there. Mike
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Post by crazyed on May 3, 2016 17:52:33 GMT -8
Mike given you're a 917 "Nut" the Naher Book is THEE Book to get. He worked on the 917's and had access to the Porsche Archives for the information.
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Post by harron6 on May 21, 2016 16:28:27 GMT -8
Looks like the now very old Airfix brand 1/32 scale one. I luv the old Airfix ones, the Aston Martin "Ulster" of late 20s or early '30s is as nice a kit as any. Thanx for truly beautiful work and fine fotos.
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Post by vintagerpm on May 22, 2016 7:24:02 GMT -8
Looks like the now very old Airfix brand 1/32 scale one. I luv the old Airfix ones, the Aston Martin "Ulster" of late 20s or early '30s is as nice a kit as any. Thanx for truly beautiful work and fine fotos. Thanks. Yes, the same kit was released, I believe, by AMT, Airifix, Matchbox, & MPC. Mike
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Post by dustymojave on Jan 15, 2017 23:49:37 GMT -8
Recently scanned and uploaded to my Photobucket a few pics of the Brumos 917 driven by Peter Gregg at the 1973 Riverside Times GP. 1st shot is Peter and a crew member pulling out for practice. I didn't note which day. Dr. Kerry Willets, Pre-Grid Chief in yellow walking to the left. Then a reference shot of the car on stands less upper bodywork in the garage.
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