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Post by arcticwolf on Feb 18, 2020 15:40:02 GMT -8
Mesh cover and trailing arm location
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Post by pnance26 on Feb 18, 2020 17:07:15 GMT -8
mesh covers and the trailing arm that's in the closed position. Joel I think you meant work around! I get it now... that will be a while until that step...
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Post by pnance26 on Feb 18, 2020 17:09:31 GMT -8
Great photos, Wolfman! I have a feeling it won't be a problem... and now I am seeing chrome! Or maybe just polished aluminum...
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Post by pnance26 on Feb 18, 2020 17:16:14 GMT -8
PE Seat belts... fiddly bits but considering the piece of crap in the kit... The figure comes with the kit but I probably won't build it. I want to make sure the seat belts were proper. BTW, the decals that came with the seat belts will not adhere to ribbon. Applying MicroSol did NOTHING. They dried up and curled. Any other suggestions?
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Post by pnance26 on Feb 18, 2020 17:36:09 GMT -8
This is the 1971 original kit issue seat belt. My, have we come a long ways.
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mike_t
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Post by mike_t on Feb 18, 2020 18:42:46 GMT -8
This is the 1971 original kit issue seat belt. My, have we come a long ways. You ain't kiddin'!
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Post by arcticwolf on Feb 18, 2020 19:38:44 GMT -8
I don't mean to open a can of worms here, but the 6 point harness didn't become mandatory until 1972. Prior to that, it was the drivers/teams option as to what to install, if anything. So that 4 point harness Tamiya supplied may actually be "correct". I don't know what Ickx or Regazzoni preferred, but I know the 4 point was fairly common for a while. Damned if I can find any photos though (but I'm trying).
At Watkins in '64 (my first F1 race) Clark had retired. Lotus pulled Mike Spence into the pits, he jumped out, Clark jumped in and took off, all in about 5 seconds tops. Try that today!
As to chrome, the suspension arms were probably chrome plated steel (banned around about 1973) or maybe stainless steel. Not aluminum for sure.
cheers guys
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Post by pnance26 on Feb 18, 2020 20:53:44 GMT -8
I don't mean to open a can of worms here, but the 6 point harness didn't become mandatory until 1972. Prior to that, it was the drivers/teams option as to what to install, if anything. So that 4 point harness Tamiya supplied may actually be "correct". I don't know what Ickx or Regazzoni preferred, but I know the 4 point was fairly common for a while. Damned if I can find any photos though (but I'm trying).
At Watkins in '64 (my first F1 race) Clark had retired. Lotus pulled Mike Spence into the pits, he jumped out, Clark jumped in and took off, all in about 5 seconds tops. Try that today!
As to chrome, the suspension arms were probably chrome plated steel (banned around about 1973) or maybe stainless steel. Not aluminum for sure.
cheers guys
We’re getting way off into the weeds here. I’m not building a miniature, a replica, an historical piece... I’mbuilding a model. I appreciate all the input and discussion but I like this harness. It’s five point technically. If this causes a drop in interest, oh well. I’m having fun!
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Post by Joel_W on Feb 19, 2020 12:50:49 GMT -8
pnance26 Thanks for figuring out what I was trying to say with the wrong word.
As for the non-sticking decal, try a little bit of slightly diluted white glue. I will dry basically clear flat. I put down a base coat of the glue under the decal as the belt strap is quite rough.
Paul's only trying to give you all the options, what you decide to do is up to you. I personally screw up when to use 4,5,& 6 way belts all the time.
As to the chrome SS rods, I was under the impression that they were just highly polished as part of the process.
Joel
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Post by arcticwolf on Feb 19, 2020 14:42:47 GMT -8
As to the chrome SS rods, I was under the impression that they were just highly polished as part of the process. Joel Joel, those trailing arms, or radius rods if you prefer, do more than just hold the suspension together. They transfer the thrust of the rear tires grip on the track back to the car chassis. In other words, they are what propelles the car foreward.So if you would have had about 450 ft/lbs of torque, thats quite the bending moment. I wouldn't want them made of aluminum on my car! Some teams chrome plated them, but the FIA banned that as there was the possibilty of corrosion underneath. After that (early 70's) you started to see black. Polished stainless steel would have been my preference. Or titanium if you could afford it.
Disclaimer: Above posted just for general information purposes.
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Post by Joel_W on Feb 19, 2020 15:00:25 GMT -8
Paul, Sorry for the confusion. I wasn't referring to them being Aluminum, but rather highly polished SS. I just don't remember seeing or hearing about Chromed parts except for display cars.
Joel
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Post by pnance26 on Feb 19, 2020 15:28:20 GMT -8
As to the chrome SS rods, I was under the impression that they were just highly polished as part of the process. Joel Joel, those trailing arms, or radius rods if you prefer, do more than just hold the suspension together. They transfer the thrust of the rear tires grip on the track back to the car chassis. In other words, they are what propelles the car foreward.So if you would have had about 450 ft/lbs of torque, thats quite the bending moment. I wouldn't want them made of aluminum on my car! Some teams chrome plated them, but the FIA banned that as there was the possibilty of corrosion underneath. After that (early 70's) you started to see black. Polished stainless steel would have been my preference. Or titanium if you could afford it.
Disclaimer: Above posted just for general information purposes.
Paul, I certainly didn’t mean I’m not appreciative of your info. It’s just frustrating after fiddling with something all day to find out you didn’t need to do 1/5th of the work. Doing away with the leg straps is no biggie because I just scotch taped them onto the bottom of the seat. Easy to remove. I did put in a slot for them but it’s no big deal. I’ll just keep going on... and I really appreciate everyone’s input! I’m back at work tomorrow for a week and then a bit of teaching, wife time, and then back to the 312B. So not much will get done... so somewhere a few weeks from now, I’ll try to get some paint down. Thanks everyone for the encouragement!
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Post by Joel_W on Feb 19, 2020 15:37:04 GMT -8
pnance26 Looking forward to your next update. And yes, life does seem to find a way to disrupt our modeling plans far to often. I'm retired, and yet even I have had or should I say still occurring numerous disruptive plans. Just today with the weather now clear, and in the 50s I wanted to paint the color coats on the 935, but then my brother-n-law called, whose a challenged person. He bought a new TV, and between him and his neighbor managed to screw everything up. So that's where I headed this morning. Took two hrs to get the TV up and running including the cable box and both controllers that wouldn't even turn on and off either unit. Tomorrow my wife has demanded that I prime and paint the doors in the hallway especially since I never bothered to paint the replacement basement door. That's no small task as there are 3 bedroom doors, 1 basement door, 1 bathroom door, and 1 linen close door. Way to many doors for me at my age. Joel
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Post by pnance26 on Feb 25, 2020 8:41:53 GMT -8
Here are the tires from my Ferrari 312B in 1/12th scale. Guess I will try the sharpened toothpick with diluted Tamiya flat white paint to fill in the lettering and the logo.
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Post by 4wheels on Feb 25, 2020 15:28:47 GMT -8
Virtually every built model or die-cast I've ever seen of this car has the tire lettering in gold. I just did a quick search and found 4 very definitive pictures that clearly show white lettering, and only one (not real clear) that COULD be gold. All show a gold ring. I built one of these as a a young teenager, my very first Tamiya kit, in any scale, and I did the lettering in gold. When I build my next one it will have white lettering for sure! Your tires and wheels look great, by the way! Glad the Armor-All helped!
Brian
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