johnny
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Post by johnny on Sept 9, 2021 15:06:57 GMT -8
Re: my comment on the screen top sealing. Changed my mind after seeing the photo again. It's badly trowelled on mastic sealant. Note the undulations on the corners. That's the trowel picking up on a rough edge. Massive gap there...probably 2mm in 1/12th at a guess! Johnny Just checked again. The screen fit seems to be OK, but they have covered about an inch of the screen glass edge. Look real close and you can see the edge of the glass catching light under the sealant. I can only guess they masked the screen with thick tape and the edge of the trowel picked up on tape creases on the corners. They must have been in a real hurry doing this job! Attachments:
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Post by pnance26 on Sept 9, 2021 17:15:45 GMT -8
Well this is certainly turning out to be fun... all those "rivets" I put on seem to be of no use as there were little bumps there originally that would have created the same effect. Guess this will take some rethinking. Good thing I have two sets of windows!
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Post by Chris K. Hale on Sept 9, 2021 17:34:25 GMT -8
I have been looking at ton of the various pics of the various cars. I would do the side windows the way we discussed, Rivets with black Mastic on the inside of the glass. Rear window also Rivets with Mastic being an option and Front windshield just Black Mastic inside. There are so many variations , Rivets no mastic, tape covered rivets , mastic inside with rivets outside. Almost looking like Day, Time, Test or Race, Factory Team or Privateer that no matter how its done, nothing would You did would be wrong except Over doing it. This why I would choose the way I listed, a more clean simple and technically correct way, That's my 2 cents but its your Model Surprise Us! LoL..... and the Rivets you did put on I think look correct and excellent, dont take them off just add the Mastic to the inside of the glass....
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Post by pnance26 on Sept 10, 2021 5:02:32 GMT -8
I have been looking at ton of the various pics of the various cars. I would do the side windows the way we discussed, Rivets with black Mastic on the inside of the glass. Rear window also Rivets with Mastic being an option and Front windshield just Black Mastic inside. There are so many variations , Rivets no mastic, tape covered rivets , mastic inside with rivets outside. Almost looking like Day, Time, Test or Race, Factory Team or Privateer that no matter how its done, nothing would You did would be wrong except Over doing it. This why I would choose the way I listed, a more clean simple and technically correct way, That's my 2 cents but its your Model Surprise Us! LoL..... and the Rivets you did put on I think look correct and excellent, dont take them off just add the Mastic to the inside of the glass.... That's the plan, Chris. While I do like the look of the tape on the outside that is giving way (and it is still an option that I will put forward for you all to help me decide... since I have four windows to work with...), I'm not sure what is proper. I forgot to grab my book this morning (fuzzy headed...) but it is fun to discuss!
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Post by tartan54 on Sept 10, 2021 8:18:11 GMT -8
Patrick, you wanted to try your hand at finishing the model "as raced", Johnny and I have provided several really good photographs showing the cars before, during and at the end of the race, why not just follow them? There is NO black mastic inside the windows, the tape is over the window edges (including the rear window, see my close up of #3 yesterday) and it peels at the end of the race, these are all actual and photographically proved, they will make your model a facsimile of the real thing. The crude mastic around the windshield will offend the purists but it's there. These cars were tools to win the race, not concours winners, that's for later in their lives when they are rebuilt to an aesthetic standard far in excess of that in 1966. It's your model at the end of the day but placing modern norms or beliefs on how things were done then is just wrong to me, it's a facet of history revision.
Dave
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Post by pnance26 on Sept 10, 2021 10:43:44 GMT -8
Patrick, you wanted to try your hand at finishing the model "as raced", Johnny and I have provided several really good photographs showing the cars before, during and at the end of the race, why not just follow them? There is NO black mastic inside the windows, the tape is over the window edges (including the rear window, see my close up of #3 yesterday) and it peels at the end of the race, these are all actual and photographically proved, they will make your model a facsimile of the real thing. The crude mastic around the windshield will offend the purists but it's there. These cars were tools to win the race, not concours winners, that's for later in their lives when they are rebuilt to an aesthetic standard far in excess of that in 1966. It's your model at the end of the day but placing modern norms or beliefs on how things were done then is just wrong to me, it's a facet of history revision. Dave Holy catfish, Dave! You act as if I have blown off YOUR ideas and somehow OFFENDED you because I'm not doing what you think is right. I wasn't placing "norms or beliefs" on how things were done. I have been mulling all the options and not made up my mind. For your information, I liked the tape peeling off the windows because of the speed. I just haven't figured out how to get that perfect curve in the lower back corner. As far the "mastic" that seems to be causing so much distress, I'm not even sure if that is an adhesive strip like weather stripping or what. I haven't gotten that far into the weeds? As far as you and Johnny providing source material, I appreciate that. But at the same time, Paul sent me photos of a show car with phillips head screws. Do I consider that invalid? Probably, but my not using them certainly isn't some kind of slap at Paul. So all that said, thank you for the input and I consider it invaluable. It probably will get incorporated into the build... but please, it is MY model and I'm not building it for absolute accuracy. Good lord, even DecalGaz got the decals wrong by supplying eight decals when there are only seven fuses. Do I think they are shoddy or sloppy or revisionists? Not at all... I am building this to do some different things such as weathering and race use look. But is it meant to be an exact replica of the Ken Miles/Denny Hulme #1 Shelby Ford GT40MkII raced at LeMans in 1996? Hell no! It's my interpretation of that car. Rant over...
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Post by Guest on Sept 10, 2021 11:21:07 GMT -8
It's my interpretation of that car. That explains the red seatbelts, I guess!
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Post by tartan54 on Sept 10, 2021 12:34:49 GMT -8
Whoa Patrick, hold on, I'm on your side here! I said it's your model and you can do whatever you like, sorry that you took offence. My comments were aimed more at others who seem to ignore what the cars were like on the day and encourage depicting things that are undoubtedly good automotive practice but weren't on the cars in '66. Taking info from show cars is fine but they're two separate beasts and if you like the show car look - good incorporate it, it's your car. No one makes a perfect model, but if you want to replicate the cars from '66 as they were on the day surely the evidence of the pictures is what you aim for? That's a general statement not aimed at you, and I'm probably being anal about the authenticity/accuracy, that's from my aircraft model days and car modelling seems to me to be more about the "look" and the high gloss. I certainly don't want to start a flame war and if I've offended you I apologise.
Dave
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Post by tartan54 on Sept 10, 2021 12:39:20 GMT -8
Think I'll step out here and leave you guys to it.
Dave
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Post by arcticwolf on Sept 10, 2021 12:46:48 GMT -8
And here I was feeling all hurt and offended. Just kidding Patrick.
On a personal note, I don't count rivets. Or Phillips head screws either.
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Post by arcticwolf on Sept 10, 2021 12:49:39 GMT -8
Think I'll step out here and leave you guys to it. Dave Stick around. I think your input is more valued than you realize.
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Post by pnance26 on Sept 10, 2021 12:53:20 GMT -8
Think I'll step out here and leave you guys to it. Dave No flames here… not from me anyway although I do resent this “guest” that keeps dropping in his two cents worth but hasn’t the courage to identify himself. Who gives a flip of the seat belts are red? Fuck it only took me three days to build them! Not a word about that just that they are red and not blue or black or whatever! And if guest is such a great know-it-all, where’s his build? At least I am hanging my ass and my work out there for comment. Anyone can snipe from the sidelines but I’d like to see how well “guest” would measure up. Dave, don’t leave. I value your ideas. I just haven’t decided yet but trust me, the flapping tape had already made the cut to be included… I like the way it looked after being raced. By the same token, I’ll have the taped and cardboard covers on the lower lenses even though they would have been removed at nightfall and not replaced the next day. I just think it looks cool! That said, I’m not quitting or slowing down or speeding up. I’ve too much invested in this build to let anyone or anything discourage me. And I will continue to seek the input of most everyone including Paul, Chris, Dave Joel, Martin, Johnny, Jim, Chrisand even “guest” if he/she contributes anything but snark (and anyone else who shares). I’ve met some great folks here who have helped me out with free parts, traded ideas, and are all great builders in their own right. I’ll be damned if I’m letting any of that go!
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Post by Chris K. Hale on Sept 11, 2021 4:40:54 GMT -8
OK I apologize if this got a bit out of hand, my statements were meant to Help, show the various methods that were used and encourage All of our members to Build. I wont allow Flaming or disparaging comments on this Forum,. When a member says "I'm leaving" I take it quite personal. I monitor all comments and fight to gain and keep every member, many of you I know personally and I would never say or do anything to lose a friend or member. When I set up the forum I had a choice to make Guests sign in , showing who they are or not, I did that for a while but the visitor daily count went down by half, so I opened it back up to allow anyone to comment. This is such a Great Group of Builders I don't understand why You wouldn't Join anyway. One thing these Guest don't know is I can Ban them for life, even as a guest because their IP address shows up when they comment, such is the case of Mr. Red Seat Belts, we don't need that crap here. I've said my peace and hope No One was Offended during this interesting exchange but it is Patrick's Model and He is doing a Fabulous Job on it. Questions, or Comments to this Post can be directed to my "PM" and I will respond Chris Admin.
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Post by pnance26 on Sept 11, 2021 8:03:14 GMT -8
OK I apologize if this got a bit out of hand, my statements were meant to Help, show the various methods that were used and encourage All of our members to Build. I wont allow Flaming or disparaging comments on this Forum,. When a member says "I'm leaving" I take it quite personal. I monitor all comments and fight to gain and keep every member, many of you I know personally and I would never say or do anything to lose a friend or member. When I set up the forum I had a choice to make Guests sign in , showing who they are or not, I did that for a while but the visitor daily count went down by half, so I opened it back up to allow anyone to comment. This is such a Great Group of Builders I don't understand why You wouldn't Join anyway. One thing these Guest don't know is I can Ban them for life, even as a guest because their IP address shows up when they comment, such is the case of Mr. Red Seat Belts, we don't need that crap here. I've said my peace and hope No One was Offended during this interesting exchange but it is Patrick's Model and He is doing a Fabulous Job on it. Questions, or Comments to this Post can be directed to my "PM" and I will respond Chris Admin. Thank you. The build will resume tomorrow! Last decals on the dash and that will be buttoned up. I'm quite happy using clear on the gauge faces to imitate bezels. At least they are reflective. Photos tomorrow and then on to doors! Thanks to all and to you, Chris K., especially! This is one of my favorite spots!
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johnny
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Post by johnny on Sept 11, 2021 16:18:15 GMT -8
Patrick, Don't be down hearted! Like Dave, I only offer info that I think may help the way you wanted to go with the build. I know you've expressed an interest in going the weathered route with the light covers etc. I can be very anal and critical of my own work and I certainly don't want to lead anyone here down a detailing rabbit hole. It's your build and it's supposed to be fun, fun, fun, after all. And Chris, that Guest comment really was utterly pathetic. If it were me, they would be lifetime banned, pronto. I've done it many a time on my Facebook pages! Who was it, BTW? Johnny
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