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Post by pnance26 on Mar 26, 2021 8:09:35 GMT -8
Unless you're going to do a diorama of some sort, a dirty model on a base just doesn't make any sense to me. joel Joel, I'm looking for a way to set my build apart from the many others going on right now. I will probably do an asphalt looking surface... now mind you, this kit is very large when finished, so it may be a substantial base build. But I am just trying to make it not look like a "showroom queen" which is how many of these builds end up! Thanks for your input!
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Post by Joel_W on Mar 26, 2021 9:40:36 GMT -8
Patrick, I understand your point of view, but honestly it doesn't make any sense. Why concern yourself as to how to differentiate your build's final presentation here to the few others as each will be in a separate build thread and most likely be posted at different times.
All your other builds that I've seen are museum quality presentation, so that's what you naturally prefer. Why change now? I remember the Ferrari 312 builds, and yours certainly wasn't lost in the group by any means.
joel
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Post by pnance26 on Mar 26, 2021 10:34:19 GMT -8
Patrick, I understand your point of view, but honestly it doesn't make any sense. Why concern yourself as to how to differentiate your build's final presentation here to the few others as each will be in a separate build thread and most likely be posted at different times. All your other builds that I've seen are museum quality presentation, so that's what you naturally prefer. Why change now? I remember the Ferrari 312 builds, and yours certainly wasn't lost in the group by any means. joel Joel, I guess it is part of my quest to always do something different. I've never dirtied up a race car and so I just think it will be a good use of my time! LOL! Actually, a lot of it will depend on finish paint job and decals as well. I have already decided to do the "racer's tape" around the lower lenses so it might be an offshoot of that. I am also thinking of contest entries and how it would stand out if weathered properly! By no means "museum quality" to me mostly because I know all the places to look! LOL! Just a thought that will have some time to mature... Thanks. I do value your input! Patrick
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Post by tatocorvette on Mar 26, 2021 10:36:45 GMT -8
Hello,
When done right, weathering can be interesting. But it is dangerous and can kill a model instantly if not done properly. If you are going this route, make sure you have reference material of the real thing. The proverbial example is putting mud on an aircraft carrier deck cart. I weathered my C7R and FordGT but refrained from doing it on the C6R. Tires are constantly been changed and windshields, radiators and headlights are basically cleaned every pit stop. That's a major difference. Don't over do it. If you think you need a bit more, stop. You are probably there already.
Thanks, Ismael
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Post by pnance26 on Mar 26, 2021 10:49:41 GMT -8
Hello, When done right, weathering can be interesting. But it is dangerous and can kill a model instantly if not done properly. If you are going this route, make sure you have reference material of the real thing. The proverbial example is putting mud on an aircraft carrier deck cart. I weathered my C7R and FordGT but refrained from doing it on the C6R. Tires are constantly been changed and windshields, radiators and headlights are basically cleaned every pit stop. That's a major difference. Don't over do it. If you think you need a bit more, stop. You are probably there already. Thanks, Ismael Thanks, Ismael! I am a long way from that and have been watching youtube videos. I am sure there will be at least one mule to test. I have a broken Renault RE20 that was returned to me after it took a dive off the shelf. I imagine that will become the test bed. And if it looks like shite there, it won't happen on the GT40 that's for sure... Back in 1966, there weren't tear offs and I will probably just weather the wheels a bit. There really aren't any radiators showing as all the air was induced through the side vents! Kind of interesting when you think about the lack of a big ass old radiator in that car! There was a big oil tank in the front but not much of a big radiator outside of the two right beside the engines! I appreciate the input!
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Post by Joel_W on Mar 26, 2021 10:59:08 GMT -8
Patrick, Back in my IPMS aircraft days, I was a judge for every Regional and the occasional National convention/contest in my area for years. Weathering can make a model POP in a diorama setting much easier then as a stand alone build. We saw that in Armor all the time, and in many cases it was done to cover up issues with the build, finish, or decaling. We'd spent more time looking through the weathering trying to see if anything was covered up. And as Ismael said, over done weathering just kills the finish presentation and as judges we just moved on.
As a judge, we judged what was on the table, not compared to any other model entry in that category. Basics eliminated 75+% of the models in the 1st round even with great finishes weathered or not. Poor parts alignment, a seam showing, a glue stain, and worst of all the dreaded flash around decals. Didn't matter what else the builder added or did, he went home with nothing to show for his efforts. My point is to build what you like, what you have a passion for, do your best at every phase of the build, and stay within your abilities. Trying something out of the usual box to get contest points could just as easily backfire on you. What you do has to be perfect, it's that simple.
As judges, we looked for what was wrong, incorrectly done and or built. It usually was something small, simple, or just missed by the builder. Only in rare cases did we get to the point of two great builds that basically were equal. And in those cases we awarded duel place trophies.
joel
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Post by pnance26 on Mar 26, 2021 12:37:24 GMT -8
Patrick, Back in my IPMS aircraft days, I was a judge for every Regional and the occasional National convention/contest in my area for years. Weathering can make a model POP in a diorama setting much easier then as a stand alone build. We saw that in Armor all the time, and in many cases it was done to cover up issues with the build, finish, or decaling. We'd spent more time looking through the weathering trying to see if anything was covered up. And as Ismael said, over done weathering just kills the finish presentation and as judges we just moved on. As a judge, we judged what was on the table, not compared to any other model entry in that category. Basics eliminated 75+% of the models in the 1st round even with great finishes weathered or not. Poor parts alignment, a seam showing, a glue stain, and worst of all the dreaded flash around decals. Didn't matter what else the builder added or did, he went home with nothing to show for his efforts. My point is to build what you like, what you have a passion for, do your best at every phase of the build, and stay within your abilities. Trying something out of the usual box to get contest points could just as easily backfire on you. What you do has to be perfect, it's that simple. As judges, we looked for what was wrong, incorrectly done and or built. It usually was something small, simple, or just missed by the builder. Only in rare cases did we get to the point of two great builds that basically were equal. And in those cases we awarded duel place trophies. joel Joel, I guess I said more than I should. I don't enter contests but about every blue moon and I really am doing this more for me than for any contest. I do know about judging because I got caught in that trap once and vowed I would let it happen again. And that at an IMPS National event in Dallas, I had a second horrible experience that had the same people in leadership positions. It's a boring story and I am not into boring. What I am into is just trying new stuff. That's why I asked for feedback. So, it will all go into the hopper and we shall see! Thanks again for your input!
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Post by martinb on Mar 26, 2021 15:07:15 GMT -8
Just to throw my grenade into the mix; I am definitely going to complete mine in 'race-finish' condition. Tape on the front, panel damage and even the dents in the door from the hammer blows. I'm even considering placing mine inside its pit garage, wheels off, covers off etc.
Before I go too far with completing the engine, I am looking at ways of weathering it. It all looks far too 'factory fresh' and a bit toy like. To counter previous points made, these aren't showroom cars - they are tools. Mechanical devices pushed to their technical limits built with very rudimentary tools and materials prepared in very basic garages. These may have built by the best engineers and teams in the business, but they were still rough around the edges. A lot of cars (especially from this era) didn't even look that great BEFORE the race!
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Post by pnance26 on Mar 26, 2021 16:56:39 GMT -8
Just to throw my grenade into the mix; I am definitely going to complete mine in 'race-finish' condition. Tape on the front, panel damage and even the dents in the door from the hammer blows. I'm even considering placing mine inside its pit garage, wheels off, covers off etc. Before I go too far with completing the engine, I am looking at ways of weathering it. It all looks far too 'factory fresh' and a bit toy like. To counter previous points made, these aren't showroom cars - they are tools. Mechanical devices pushed to their technical limits built with very rudimentary tools and materials prepared in very basic garages. These may have built by the best engineers and teams in the business, but they were still rough around the edges. A lot of cars (especially from this era) didn't even look that great BEFORE the race! Martin, Boy howdy do I understand that... and I don't think you can mistake my build for much of a "factory fresh" look. As for grime etc, I am going to get done with the rest of the build and then do some stuff. I haven't decided exactly what yet but I do have some experience with grime... let me see if I can find an example... So there are lots of ways to go... the truck used that spray on texture for sand as well as real Saudi Arabian desert dirt and I figured out the windshield. So, I like your thinking. I don't know about the dents as that is one thing I have NEVER gotten plastic to replicate... real metal or fiberglass dents. Let me know what you come up with in that line!
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Post by martinb on Mar 26, 2021 20:28:46 GMT -8
The dents may be tricky to replicate with this plastic, but there's no way this car didn't finish without a few bruises. After witnessing recent races at Le Mans myself, even during this MUCH cleaner era, the cars are filthy at the end (even in dry races), so I'm happy to go quite far with the dirt with this model. This was from a couple of years ago after only a few laps: The outside will be pretty easy with basic weathering techniques and predictable areas to concentrate on, but the inside is going to be quite a challenge. Not only would you have the usual oil/fuel grime, but also areas that may have been 'cleaned' during pit stops or when serviced/tuned. A lot to consider, but essential. In my mind, anyway...
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Post by pnance26 on Mar 27, 2021 5:28:39 GMT -8
Martin, Thanks for the input. I particularly think the windscreens are often overlooked but then again, so are head liners in most model production cars! And dome lights!
How far are you going with dash wiring to all the switches?
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Post by martinb on Mar 27, 2021 14:39:35 GMT -8
I haven't given the interior a huge amount of thought to be honest. Wiring is a difficult one as getting the correct scale gauge of wire can be tricky. I'll be struggling with the wiring in the engine bay, but if that I get that sorted then the interior should be(!) straightforward.
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Post by pnance26 on Mar 27, 2021 19:48:23 GMT -8
I haven't given the interior a huge amount of thought to be honest. Wiring is a difficult one as getting the correct scale gauge of wire can be tricky. I'll be struggling with the wiring in the engine bay, but if that I get that sorted then the interior should be(!) straightforward. There is some 1/24th scale plug wire that would probably work. I just don’t know if that’s necessary. Also, I am seriously thinking of doing the fuel pumps on the bulkhead lying flat instead of trying to do them in place on a slant. As I said, I have lots of time to think twice a day while driving.
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Post by martinb on Mar 27, 2021 19:57:23 GMT -8
I have some fine fishing line in my garage somewhere.
What is your reasoning for laying the pumps flat?
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Post by pnance26 on Mar 28, 2021 10:16:39 GMT -8
I have some fine fishing line in my garage somewhere. What is your reasoning for laying the pumps flat? I’ll attach them in place after modifications to the pumps and drilling. This way the bulkhead will be laying flat instead of upright. Should make doing the connections between pumps easier.
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